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[00:27] <GhostNr1> Hallo?
[00:27] <GhostNr1> are there some one here???
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[01:25] <Ghost_Nr1> Hallo!!!
[01:25] <Ghost_Nr1> I need some help now!!!
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[01:37] <Dam> yo ho ho and a bottle of applejuice
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[01:56] <Spock> Mornin
[01:57] <Spock> Anyone alive ?
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[02:23] <Spock> Hi tom
[02:23] <Spock> Wassup ?
[02:25] <Tom> Hi spock
[02:26] <Tom> what is the general system performance rules that you are following?
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[02:32] <Spock> seen Tom
[02:32] <Yoda> Tom was last seen on IRC 6 minutes and 1 seconds ago, saying: what is the general system performance rules that you are following? [Fri Nov 5 04:27:17 1999]
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[02:46] <Spock> be back
[02:46] <Spock> Strange: My XChat crashes if I use x11amp at the same time :(
[02:49] <Spock> brb, reboot
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[02:57] <Spock> be back
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[03:20] <Spock> Hi all
[03:20] <Spock> rogue
[03:20] <Spock> snag
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[03:33] <roguemtl> Greetings
[03:33] <jose1> happy diwali
[03:34] <Spock> He
[03:34] <Spock> yo
[03:35] <jose1> you are calling from?
[03:36] <jose1> what happen
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[04:46] <Spock> Yo Rhi
[04:46] <Spock> sup ?
[04:47] <Rhiannon> Not much, just getting ready for work.. you?
[04:48] <Spock> Hmm, also nut much
[04:48] <Spock> Will go shoppin' for weekend then
[04:48] <Rhiannon> Have fun :)
[04:49] <Spock> THX, U2
[04:49] <Spock> L8R
[04:52] <Spock> brb, changin account
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[05:01] <Spock> be back
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[05:19] <McCoy> hi
[05:19] <McCoy> someone in ?
[05:19] <McCoy> too early...
[05:19] <McCoy> seen Rhiannon
[05:19] <Yoda> Rhiannon was last seen on IRC 31 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: Have fun :) [Fri Nov 5 06:50:01 1999]
[05:20] <McCoy> k
[05:20] <McCoy> L8R
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[05:40] <mick> installed pre-0.90 and there was no HOWTO under /usr/doc
[05:44] <mick> Spock_shopping: Bist du hier?
[05:46] <mick> i was trying to figure out how to make a module permanent
[05:47] <mick> the nic in my system at home uses the tulip chip
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[05:49] <mick> I insmod /lib/modules/2.2.10/net/tulip.o but when I reboot it dies
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[06:15] <spartacus> Hola.
[06:16] <fejj_sleep> mick
[06:16] <fejj_sleep> you need to recompile your kernel
[06:16] <spartacus> I forget the name to some ezine i was on a couple of days ago. Not linuxjournal/gazette. Something else, anyone have any ideas??
[06:16] <fejj_sleep> insmod is not permanant
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[06:17] <mick> I was afraid of that. right now I don't have the source or 2.2.10 and the source under pre-0.90 has already moved to 2.2.12
[06:20] <mick> The harsh thing was that I have controlled road runner access at home and I couldn't get rrlmsd to make and I couldn't ftp to the source
[06:22] <mick> Central New York Road Runner (cable modem) is going to be opening up the service in another 40 days
[06:35] <roguemtl> Depending on the authentication scheme they use, rrlmsd might not be the right mechanism
[06:36] <roguemtl> There is no Road Runner-wide auth scheme... each region appears to have the option of choosing which they use
[06:36] <roguemtl> Do you authenticate against a 'TAS'?
[06:37] <mick> not sure. But I have rrlmsd up and running on Debian kernel 2.0.36 and it works
[06:37] <mick> also the maintainer for rrlmsd uses the central new york road runner
[06:38] <mick> i didn't write down the error messages from the make
[06:38] <mick> there were problems under rrlmsd.c pulling from /usr/include
[06:40] <mick> I think I will go back to Stampede Europa and try from there.
[06:42] Nick change: fejj -> fejj_class
[06:42] <fejj_class> argh
[06:42] <fejj_class> rogue
[06:42] <fejj_class> I get way too many feature requests :\
[06:43] <fejj_class> support netscape mail!, support esmh mail!, make it so I can have my mail anywhere on the filesystem without having to type the whole path!
[06:43] <roguemtl> fejj: GPG. :)
[06:43] <fejj_class> heh, now gpg I will do
[06:43] <fejj_class> but some of these others...I mean, comeon :\
[06:44] <roguemtl> mick: did you install the kernel sources?
[06:44] <roguemtl> fejj: indeed.
[06:44] <fejj_class> if I make it support every damn mailbox format in the world, it just gets bloated...not to mention has a better chance of having bugs :(
[06:44] <roguemtl> 'modules'
[06:44] <roguemtl> 'modules' and CVS
[06:44] <fejj_class> heh
[06:44] Nick change: fejj_class -> fejj
[06:45] <mick> roguemtl: i didn't have them
[06:45] <fejj> I don't have class for another hour
[06:45] <fejj> what am I thinking?
[06:45] Action: fejj gets food
[06:45] <mick> roguemtl: couldn't get on to ftp and pre-0.90 binary does not include the source like Europa does.
[06:48] <mick> bbl. got to go install win95, up chuck and die.
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[07:03] <fejj> why is it that users are never happy?
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[07:51] <Minotaur> Good morning, folks.
[07:51] Action: roguemtl notes that someone cooked /tmp
[07:51] <Minotaur> On whiplash?
[07:51] <Minotaur> Probably cleaned when it rebooted a couple days ago.
[07:51] <roguemtl> ahh
[07:51] <roguemtl> Yuck.
[07:51] Action: roguemtl slaps self ;)
[07:51] <Minotaur> Don't store things in /tmp that aren't temp!
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[07:51] <roguemtl> they were temp... just not as temp as planned ;P
[07:52] <lamfada_unconscious> omfg, Bill Gates is the Antichrist!
[07:52] <roguemtl> I have a backup copy... just not currently acccessible ;)
[07:52] <lamfada_unconscious> http://www.dogbrain.com/antichrist.html
[07:52] <roguemtl> Federal judge is supposed to make an initial ruling on the Microsoft monopoly today
[07:52] Nick change: lamfada_unconscious -> lamfada
[07:52] <Minotaur> Nah, not today.
[07:52] <Minotaur> Just start. :)
[07:53] <lamfada> lux: its just brain-dead SGML
[07:54] <lamfada> XML, I mean
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[07:57] <Minotaur> XML is VERY nice.
[07:57] <Minotaur> We are probably going to implement it in a couple of areas for our next site.
[07:57] <lamfada> what are you going to use it for?
[07:57] <Minotaur> For one, it will allow users to use our pre-defined tags to generate a layout easily.
[07:57] <Minotaur> For example, we have a "School Newspaper" that schools can put together.
[07:58] <Minotaur> Each newspaper story is stored in a database, for obvious reasons.
[07:58] <Minotaur> But we don't want the poor teacher trying to layout the paper to have to make the database calls for each story.
[07:58] <lamfada> it can be
[07:58] <Minotaur> It is much nicer for us to create a tag called <STORY> that they can use like: <STORY ID=352>
[07:59] <Minotaur> And it insert that story there, and we do all the database calls on the backend when parsing that tag.
[07:59] <Minotaur> Or perhaps <LOGO SECTION=SPORTS>
[07:59] <Minotaur> To insert the sports banner.
[08:00] <Minotaur> Pretty much.
[08:00] <lamfada> also, XML allows industries to have standard ways of presenting informaion, legal footnotes, for example, are different than scientific footnotes
[08:00] <Minotaur> The kids will type in their crap to a textarea in a form that we store.
[08:01] <Minotaur> lux - I think I have Signals, isn't that the one I was in Chapel Hill with you?
[08:01] <Minotaur> XML can also be used to communicate between multiple tiers of application servers.
[08:02] <Minotaur> For example, we may very well write a Tuxedo service to parse XML that is sent from our app server, BEA's WebLogic Server.
[08:02] <lamfada> also, the "Whats Related" button in Netscape is XML.
[08:02] <lamfada> Its a demo app to show how to add stuff to the browser, basically
[08:04] Action: lux has php3 documentation in hand
[08:04] <lamfada> does anyone here remember / have in their calc book the series for pi / 4 ?
[08:04] <Minotaur> LOL, don't like it anymore?
[08:05] Action: lux was considering grabbing the XML documentation too, wondering if it worth while
[08:05] <lamfada> you can never have too much docos
[08:05] <lamfada> s/much/many/
[08:05] <Minotaur> LOL
[08:05] <Minotaur> Get a bigger rack?
[08:05] <Minotaur> Or is there no room?
[08:05] <Minotaur> Hmm, that reminds me, I need to get a big cd book for the drive home....
[08:06] <Minotaur> Gotcha.
[08:06] <Minotaur> Sure, I'll take it if I don't have it.
[08:06] <Minotaur> And I think it's Counterparts that I have, not Signals.
[08:06] <Minotaur> I know I've got Moving Pictures and Chronicles.
[08:06] <Minotaur> Yeah, I don't see Signals on my mp3 server at home.
[08:06] <Minotaur> So I must not have it.
[08:07] <Minotaur> How big of a book do you need?
[08:07] <lamfada> hmm, I guess I will calculate e instead, I found that one
[08:07] <Minotaur> I'm looking for either two 100's or a 200.
[08:07] <Minotaur> That big or smaller?
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[08:08] <Minotaur> CaseLogic makes one that's $38 for 200 cd's.
[08:08] <Minotaur> They've also got a 256 that goes for $48
[08:09] <Minotaur> I think I'd rather have a 200 than a 256, more even. :)
[08:09] <lamfada> but 256 is geekier
[08:09] Action: lux has been in the process of ripping most CDs to mp3
[08:10] <Minotaur> Yeah, I've ripped all my cd's to mp3.
[08:11] <Minotaur> 'course the goal was to keep a multia in the car to play the mp3's, but it's spent more time in my bedroom than in the car.
[08:11] <Minotaur> Nope, never heard of 'em.
[08:11] <Minotaur> lux - Do you know what aros charges for co-lo service?
[08:11] <Minotaur> Single box, 512k/sec?
[08:11] <Minotaur> I'll have to check 'em out next time I'm over.
[08:12] <Minotaur> co-location.
[08:12] <Minotaur> Yeah.
[08:12] <Minotaur> 'kay, I'll look on the web page, see what I find.
[08:12] <Minotaur> I really just want dsl. :(
[08:12] <Minotaur> Or cable modem.
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[08:13] <solitude> y0
[08:13] <solitude> g2g
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[08:14] <Minotaur> 'kay, thanks.
[08:14] <Minotaur> Howdy, Leno.
[08:17] <Minotaur> Thanks.
[08:18] <lamfada> does anyone here run Intel SMP ?
[08:19] <Leno_Work> Yo.
[08:19] <roguemtl> Indeed
[08:22] <lamfada> lux: is that the only drive in that system?
[08:23] <lamfada> OK, you need three partitions
[08:23] <lamfada> one windows, one linux, one swap
[08:23] <lamfada> swap <= 128MB
[08:23] <lamfada> use cfdisk to create them
[08:24] <lamfada> cfdisk allows you to create partitions at the end
[08:24] <lamfada> so you can create the swap first at the end
[08:24] <lamfada> winders usually likes being first
[08:25] <lamfada> and lilo only really likes <= 1024 cyl (logical or phys), so yes
[08:26] <lamfada> hdd are divided into cylinders
[08:27] <lamfada> LILO can only boot a partition if the first sector is on a cylinder <= 1024
[08:27] <lamfada> is fdisk text, or like windows fdisk ?
[08:28] <lamfada> bummer
[08:28] <lamfada> ok
[08:29] <lamfada> what I usually do is make the swap part first and record the numbers
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[08:29] <disq> lala ppl
[08:29] <lamfada> then I calculate how big to make the other partitions
[08:29] Action: disq missed the devel meeting
[08:29] <lamfada> lux: no, it should be windows, linux, swap
[08:29] <lamfada> but do this:
[08:29] <lamfada> create the swap
[08:29] <lamfada> record the numbers
[08:30] <lamfada> delete swap
[08:30] <lamfada> calculate size for windows and linux
[08:30] <lamfada> (50% of remaining, or whatever)
[08:30] <lamfada> make windows, linux, swap
[08:30] <lamfada> I like cfdisk b/c fdisk can be braindead
[08:32] <DrFrog> of to woerk
[08:32] <DrFrog> s/of/off/
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[08:32] <Minotaur> 'kay, thanks for looking, though.
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[08:33] <lamfada> hiya
[08:33] <Minotaur> Howdy.
[08:33] <Leno_Work> Yo Minotaur.
[08:33] <Leno_Work> Minotaur: Thinking of co-locating?
[08:33] <misty> lamfy, mino, leno
[08:33] <Leno_Work> Hi
[08:33] Action: misty eats yummy homemade taco salad
[08:34] <Minotaur> Yeah, I need to get alpha to bandwidth.
[08:35] <Minotaur> Mmm, Taco Salad.
[08:35] <misty> ameh
[08:35] <misty> err amen
[08:35] <misty> hehe
[08:35] <Minotaur> One of my dorm favorites.
[08:35] <misty> alpha is in dire need of bandwidth :)
[08:35] <Minotaur> Doritoes and salsa.
[08:35] <Minotaur> With canned corn, etc.
[08:35] <Minotaur> Mmm....
[08:35] <lamfada> mmm
[08:35] <misty> eww doritos yuck
[08:35] <Minotaur> Lenolium: You gonna hook me up with a special deal at the xm?
[08:35] <lamfada> I personally like the Red Hot Blues
[08:35] <lamfada> organic blue corn with cayenne
[08:35] <Minotaur> 20G drive with bob's name written all over /etc/passwd. :)
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[08:36] Action: misty has ground beef, shredded lettuce, peppers, diced tomatoes, olives, and kidney beans, doused with chi-chis salsa, in a tortilla shell
[08:36] <disq> [e-t] [some guy. :P]
[08:36] <misty> oh, and diced onions :)
[08:36] Action: lamfada is hungry now
[08:36] <misty> etetet!
[08:36] <Minotaur> Nah, I never had fresh vegies or ground beef in the dorm. :)
[08:36] <e-t> hey misty!
[08:36] <disq> Minotaur: devel meeting logs available?
[08:37] <misty> et, we're using gcorchestra.org :)
[08:37] <Minotaur> Umm, devel meeting is tonight, isn't it?
[08:37] <e-t> misty: help me get my scanner working
[08:37] <e-t> misty: ew
[08:37] <misty> bleh on you
[08:37] <misty> you should say "Good!"
[08:38] <misty> it isn't my domain, I don't care :) I'm just doing the site
[08:38] <e-t> good!
[08:38] <misty> and I don't know much about scanners, lpt or usb?
[08:38] <e-t> misty: scsi :P
[08:38] <Minotaur> I think it's 6:30 tonight.
[08:38] <Minotaur> MST, that is.
[08:38] <lamfada> lux: what do you mean?
[08:39] <misty> et: ask mino :)
[08:39] <misty> or leno
[08:39] <misty> or both :)
[08:39] <misty> lux: it can only do it by blocks
[08:39] <misty> so it rounds up or down
[08:39] <lamfada> what misty said :)
[08:39] <disq> Minotaur: really? uh.. my timezone converter sucks then
[08:39] <lamfada> A block is a certain size
[08:40] <misty> <misty> lux: it can only do it by blocks
[08:40] <misty> <misty> so it rounds up or down
[08:40] <e-t> wow.. fejjie's new status box is nice
[08:40] <lamfada> you can not make a partition that ends in the middle of a block
[08:40] <Minotaur> It's just under 9 hours from now.
[08:40] <Minotaur> (assuming I can count...BAD assumption...)
[08:41] <disq> uh.. i thought it was, 10 hours ago
[08:41] <lamfada> lux: an easy way to find out sould be create a partition that is 2049, it will probably round up
[08:42] Nick change: disq -> disq^q2
[08:42] <lamfada> finish ?
[08:43] <misty> hehe
[08:43] <misty> didn't you run linux before, lux?
[08:43] <lamfada> lux: that would be good b/c it is easier to diagnose when you are physically there
[08:43] <Minotaur> LOL
[08:43] <lamfada> (just ask my tech support friends)
[08:43] <Minotaur> I hope to not see her. :)
[08:43] <Minotaur> What did she do this time, show up at your door?
[08:44] <Minotaur> Did she ever pay him?
[08:44] <Minotaur> LOL
[08:44] <Minotaur> She's quite the bitch.
[08:44] <Minotaur> :)
[08:44] <joyce> lux: don't ya have dialup access through aros?
[08:45] <joyce> use that, then =)
[08:45] <joyce> oh, ok. that works.
[08:45] <lamfada> brb
[08:45] <joyce> heh. i get fussed at for not quoting pricing at people.
[08:46] <Minotaur> LOL
[08:46] <Minotaur> I'm gonna have to agree with Aros on this one.
[08:46] <Minotaur> Let sales do sales.
[08:47] <Leno_Work> http://www.xmission.com/business/colocation.html
[08:48] <Minotaur> xm is expensive. :(
[08:48] <misty> consistency
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[08:48] <misty> I can correct her spelling at liberty since she has me on ignore...
[08:49] <misty> hi, gauze :)
[08:49] <gauze> hie
[08:49] <Leno_Work> Minotaur: Well, if we want the machine to be habib.kill-9.net, I can co-lo it for free. :)
[08:49] <gauze> is Stampede 2.43 out yet
[08:49] <Minotaur> LOL
[08:49] <Minotaur> What is habib?
[08:49] <gauze> habib is like a middle eastern name. besides that....
[08:50] <misty> lol
[08:50] <Minotaur> I meant what kind of box?
[08:50] <Leno_Work> actually, it would be horus.kill-9.net (horus was the name of the mp3 server @ UTW )
[08:51] <misty> well Leno I don't think any www is responding, so that's why I didn'get get into that web page
[08:52] <Minotaur> Mmm, quake.brickwall.org.....
[08:52] <Minotaur> It lives again!
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[08:54] <Cheech> Hello
[08:55] <misty> Cheech!
[08:55] <misty> ltns
[08:55] <Minotaur> Cheech!
[08:55] <Leno_Work> Yay. stampede Linux install fest.
[08:56] <lamfada> Leno_Work: do you know the series for pi / 4 ?
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[08:56] <Leno_Work> lamfada: Nope
[08:56] <lamfada> Leno_Work: I am looking at doing a burn-in test calculating e and pi
[08:56] <lamfada> Leno_Work: but I can only find the series for e
[08:57] <lamfada> damnit
[08:57] <Leno_Work> Minotaur: But if you want to co-lo a bawx, let me know, I will need root, and will have to claim it as mine, but admins can co-lo for free.
[08:57] <Minotaur> 'kay.
[08:57] <Minotaur> What kind of bandwidth?
[08:58] <Minotaur> And does it have to be intel. :)
[08:58] <Leno_Work> Ethernet to a 24MB UUNet feed (with 2 peering points), and a Alpha would do nicely.
[08:59] <Minotaur> That would be skibum.
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[09:00] <Minotaur> Well, I've got a 600 Mhz alpha that as soon as I revive would be a good candidate.
[09:00] <Leno_Work> Hmm... Yeah, it'd do nicely.
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[09:01] <misty> you haven't revived it yet?
[09:02] <Minotaur> It's still band-aid'ed.
[09:02] <Minotaur> I get to spend all weekend working on it. :(
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[09:03] <misty> aww
[09:03] <misty> no time for fun on the weekend, eh?
[09:06] <Minotaur> I'm sure I'll find some.
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[09:07] Nick change: mrOpie_zZzZz -> mrOpie
[09:07] Nick change: Spock_shopping -> Spock
[09:07] <Spock> Yoooo
[09:07] <lamfada> morning mrOpie
[09:07] <Spock> Greeterings
[09:07] <Spock> ;P
[09:07] <mrOpie> hey lam, spock
[09:07] <lamfada> heya Spock
[09:07] <lamfada> wie gehts ?
[09:07] <Spock> gut
[09:08] <Spock> dir ?
[09:08] <Cheech> Hmmm... another day at work
[09:08] <lamfada> mir ist es gut
[09:08] <Spock> k
[09:08] <Spock> Mino ?
[09:08] <Minotaur> lux - alpha is in many pieces right now, and crashing about 4 times daily.
[09:08] <misty> spock: hallo
[09:08] <Minotaur> Spock: Yes?
[09:08] <misty> ich fehle nicht gut :( ich krampe :(( lol
[09:08] <Spock> misty: Huh ?
[09:09] #stampede: mode change '+o Minotaur' by Spock!spock@sulu.csn.tu-chemnitz.de
[09:09] <Minotaur> Hmm, I wonder if my kernel.org mirror access is still valid?
[09:09] <mrOpie> SHAZBOT!
[09:09] <mrOpie> COBT IS UP TO $120!
[09:09] <lamfada> COBT?
[09:09] <Cheech> Quick poll! How many are going to invest in the Andover IPO after seeing how well the Red Hat and Cobolt IPOs went?
[09:10] <gauze> misty has german cramps I guess
[09:10] <Minotaur> Andover doesn't have a very good revenue path.
[09:10] <misty> :)
[09:10] <misty> hehe
[09:10] <gauze> invest? hahahha
[09:10] <gauze> too much kraut
[09:10] <Minotaur> Any stock increase will be purely hype based.
[09:10] <misty> no gauze
[09:10] <misty> too much estrogen :P
[09:10] <Cheech> As is most internet stocks
[09:10] <gauze> misty: yeah I figured
[09:10] <misty> hehe
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[09:11] <misty> skibumskibumskibum
[09:11] <misty> bumski
[09:11] <skibum> hey
[09:11] <Yoda> hi, skibum
[09:11] <misty> heh
[09:11] <gauze> misty: just making doitch jokes :/
[09:11] <misty> how are ya, bumski?
[09:11] <Spock> Heya ski
[09:11] <mrOpie> it opened at $139!
[09:11] <mrOpie> I couldn't have gotten into this one :/
[09:11] <Spock> misty: LOL
[09:11] Action: misty giggles, I love it, it's cute
[09:11] <Spock> misty: bum the ski !
[09:11] <gauze> I have been living off my change collection this week personally
[09:11] Topic changed on #stampede by skibum!skibum@stampede.varesearch.com: Stampede GNU/Linux (http://www.stampede.org)| Also doubles as #spruce; Developer/user meeting today at 18:30 MST (UTC-0700) in #stampede.
[09:11] <gauze> I'm thinking of investing in a loaf of bread soon
[09:11] <skibum> I'm sorta free right now.
[09:11] <skibum> yo
[09:12] <mrOpie> cool
[09:12] <misty> bumski is free
[09:12] <mrOpie> thread spruce :)
[09:12] <Spock> skibum: How many ours are that to ?
[09:12] <skibum> does anyone know of an administration tool that lets you run a single command on many hosts?
[09:12] <skibum> like:
[09:12] <skibum> run_on_all_lnux_boxes echo hwclock -s >> /etc/rc.d/rc.local
[09:12] <skibum> ?
[09:12] <misty> spock: 'hours' :)
[09:12] <gauze> my feels on gui mail clients are much the same as my feelings about gui irc clients.
[09:12] <Spock> misty: Yeah, thx
[09:13] <gauze> oi
[09:13] <misty> it is uh... maybe 7.75?
[09:13] <misty> no
[09:13] <Spock> skibum: Check mal dei mail ...
[09:13] <misty> 8 I think
[09:13] <Spock> misty: THX
[09:14] <Spock> misty: That gonna be a long night :P
[09:14] <misty> lol
[09:14] <misty> I don't hafta be at it, I don't care :)
[09:14] <gauze> skibum: .sh script with rsh commands in it? doesn't sound very secure does it
[09:14] <Spock> misty: He he
[09:15] <skibum> gauze: nah, doesn't sound to secure :)
[09:15] <skibum> ?
[09:15] <gauze> for i in `cat my_hosts`;do rsh $i echo hwclock -s >> /etc/rc.d/rc.local;done
[09:15] <skibum> I was looking more along the lines of like "admind" started in inetd
[09:15] <gauze> or ssh
[09:15] <skibum> right
[09:15] <skibum> something like that
[09:15] <gauze> but that's passwded
[09:16] <skibum> I may just write one
[09:16] <skibum> :)
[09:16] <gauze> if it's behind a firewall I guess it isn't too risky
[09:16] <gauze> depends on the localusers
[09:16] Action: Spock pats gauze
[09:16] <skibum> I'm not horribly worried about security
[09:17] <gauze> so there you go.
[09:17] <skibum> but we're talking over 200 machines with different passwords here..
[09:17] <misty> hey cool
[09:17] <misty> I have access to priority.redhat.com
[09:17] <gauze> yeeash!
[09:17] <Spock> skibum: You can make a distributed NFS directory ...
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[09:17] <skibum> Well, spock: that won't exactly work.
[09:18] <skibum> Say I want to add something to every machines root crontab
[09:18] <gauze> ok scratch this netbsd idea I guess, no support for my scsi card
[09:18] <skibum> or say I want to delete every /etc/rc.d/tmp file
[09:18] <Spock> skibum: No I meant a NFS dir with a script on it ...
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[09:19] <gauze> what good would this fileserver be if it can't mount the main storage drive :P
[09:20] <skibum> netbsd is good stuff
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[09:20] <skibum> Spock, I follow
[09:20] <skibum> Spock, but then, I still have to telnet to every machine and run the script :)
[09:21] <Spock> skibum: That is a reason but no obstacle ...
[09:21] <gauze> yeah but if it doesn't support my scsi card it's worthless in this case :/
[09:21] <skibum> yeah :(
[09:21] <Spock> skibum: j/k
[09:21] <skibum> :)
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[09:23] <gauze> too bad I have no clue about device driver writing. or hm. anything else.
[09:23] Action: misty feels the void that mrOpie left :(
[09:23] <misty> hehe
[09:23] <Spock> misty: I'm here ;P
[09:23] <misty> it isn't the same :P
[09:23] <gauze> dissed
[09:23] <gauze> heh
[09:24] <misty> lol
[09:24] <gauze> hm looks like I'm stuck with linux on this machine.
[09:24] <misty> stuck?
[09:24] <misty> whatcha mean?
[09:24] <gauze> no *bsd supports this card so that leaves M$ and Linux
[09:24] <gauze> well
[09:24] <gauze> I have a linux box already
[09:25] <gauze> I wanted to put something ELSE on this box
[09:25] <Spock> skibum: Mail ?
[09:25] <misty> gauze: are you sure?
[09:25] <gauze> but none of the BSDs support this old assed scsi card
[09:25] <misty> you should ask in #freebsd on undernet
[09:25] <gauze> I checked the FAQ
[09:25] <gauze> the hardware compatibility list etc
[09:25] <misty> maybe you can start with an old BSD and upgrade after you get the driver supported
[09:25] <skibum> are you using linux fdisk?
[09:25] <gauze> I didn't even check openbsd that has less hardware support than free or netbsd
[09:26] <skibum> n/m
[09:26] <misty> gauze: make the kern and mfsroot images
[09:26] <misty> and try to boot
[09:26] <misty> if it doesn't detect your controller it won't boot with them
[09:26] <gauze> this card will never be supported I guess. it's old.
[09:26] <misty> that way you haven't lost anything if it doesn't work
[09:26] <skibum> what card is it?
[09:26] <gauze> Always IN-2000
[09:26] <misty> and it just might work after all
[09:26] <skibum> Ah
[09:26] <skibum> heh
[09:26] <misty> freebsd tends to do stuff like taht
[09:26] <skibum> i had one of those POS's at my old job.
[09:26] <gauze> heh
[09:27] <gauze> it's in a 386
[09:27] <gauze> it's a gem in that heap!
[09:27] <skibum> :)
[09:27] <misty> ski: are mino's X packages in pre-0.90 yet?
[09:27] <gauze> geez it's noon and I haven't played quake yet
[09:28] <Minotaur> Nah, my packages are binary only.
[09:29] <misty> :P
[09:29] <Leno_Work> Yay, 38ms ping through UUNet's networks.
[09:30] <Spock> skiiiiiiibuuuum
[09:30] <misty> U... U... U net u!
[09:30] Action: misty giggles
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[09:34] Nick change: Spock -> Spock_washing_up
[09:34] <lamfada> aha, pi = 6 * arcsin(0.5)
[09:34] <lamfada> pi = 4 * arctan(1.0)
[09:34] <lamfada> pi = 3 * arccos(0.5)
[09:34] <lamfada> I still want the series
[09:34] <Spock_washing_up> lamfada: pi = pi * cos(0) ;)
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[09:34] <lamfada> lol
[09:35] <Spock_washing_up> Yoda: PI ?
[09:35] <Yoda> no idea, spock_washing_up
[09:35] <lamfada> Yoda: pie?
[09:35] <Yoda> lamfada: i haven't a clue
[09:35] <lamfada> Yoda: misty?
[09:35] <Yoda> misty is silly
[09:35] <lamfada> Yoda: Spock?
[09:35] <Yoda> Spock is probably the Security Head of Stampede.
[09:36] <Spock_washing_up> Yoda: PI is a constant (about 3.14)
[09:36] <Spock_washing_up> Yoda: PI ?
[09:36] <Yoda> PI is a constant (about 3.14)
[09:36] <lamfada> Yoda: e
[09:36] <Yoda> e is NICE
[09:36] <lamfada> heh
[09:36] <gauze> hah
[09:36] <lamfada> Yoda: enlightenment ?
[09:36] <Yoda> i think enlightenment is running nice today
[09:36] <gauze> Yoda: E
[09:36] <Yoda> E is NICE
[09:36] <Spock_washing_up> Yoda: pi ?
[09:36] <Yoda> pi is a constant (about 3.14)
[09:36] <gauze> about 3.14
[09:36] <gauze> heh
[09:37] <Spock_washing_up> gauze: I'll look it up later
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[09:37] <lamfada> Yoda: ln(5)
[09:37] <e-t> hmm
[09:37] <lamfada> Yoda: ln 5
[09:37] <lamfada> Yoda: log 5
[09:37] <Yoda> 1.609437912434
[09:37] <misty> yoda: log 50
[09:37] <Yoda> 3.912023005428
[09:37] <Spock_washing_up> OK, bbl + ~ .5 hour (wash up)
[09:38] <lamfada> Yoda: O(n) is big
[09:38] <lamfada> Yoda: O(n)
[09:38] <Yoda> O(n) is big
[09:38] <misty> yoda: misty is cute
[09:38] <Yoda> ...but misty is silly...
[09:38] <misty> yoda; misty
[09:38] <misty> yoda: no, misty is cute
[09:38] <Yoda> okay, misty.
[09:38] <misty> yoda: misty
[09:38] <Yoda> it has been said that misty is cute
[09:38] <lamfada> Yoda: O(log(n)) is small
[09:38] <misty> very good
[09:38] <lamfada> Yoda: O(log(n))
[09:38] <Yoda> O(log(n)) is small
[09:39] <lamfada> Yoda: searching a tree is O(log(n))
[09:39] <lamfada> Yoda: searching a tree
[09:39] <Yoda> searching a tree is O(log(n))
[09:39] <lamfada> hmm
[09:39] <lamfada> no nested substitution
[09:39] <lamfada> Yoda: searching a tree
[09:39] <Yoda> searching a tree is O(log(n))
[09:39] <lamfada> Yoda: searching a tree
[09:39] <Yoda> it has been said that searching a tree is O(log(n))
[09:39] <misty> lol
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[09:40] <misty> yoda: spock can't cook
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[09:40] <misty> yoda: spock
[09:40] <Yoda> i guess spock is the Security Head of Stampede.
[09:40] <lamfada> Yoda: spock
[09:40] <Yoda> spock is the Security Head of Stampede.
[09:40] <misty> yoda: no, spock can't cook
[09:40] <misty> yoda: spock
[09:40] <Yoda> i heard spock was the Security Head of Stampede.
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[09:40] <misty> :P
[09:40] <misty> yoda: e-t is cute
[09:40] <Yoda> ...but e-t is too...
[09:40] <misty> yoda: no, e-t is cute
[09:40] <Yoda> okay, misty.
[09:40] <misty> yoda: et
[09:40] <misty> yoda: e-t
[09:40] <Yoda> e-t is cute
[09:40] <misty> :)
[09:41] <e-t> :)
[09:41] <lamfada> Yoda: yoda
[09:41] <Yoda> i am are green
[09:41] <lamfada> Yoda: yoda
[09:41] <Yoda> i am are green
[09:41] <misty> why doesn't yoda speak in yoda-speak?
[09:41] <lamfada> Yoda: green am i
[09:41] <gauze> who wants to read that all day
[09:41] <lamfada> Yoda: green
[09:41] <misty> yoda: green
[09:41] <lamfada> Yoda: yoda is a bot
[09:42] <Yoda> ...but yoda is are green...
[09:42] <lamfada> Yoda: yoda is a bot
[09:42] <Yoda> ...but yoda is are green...
[09:42] <misty> yoda: no, yoda is a bot
[09:42] <misty> :)
[09:42] <lamfada> Yoda: yoda
[09:42] <Yoda> i am are green
[09:42] <gauze> hahah
[09:42] <lamfada> Yoda: no, yoda is a bot
[09:42] <lamfada> Yoda: yoda
[09:42] <Yoda> i think i am are green
[09:42] <misty> lolol
[09:42] <misty> let me do it
[09:42] <lamfada> k
[09:42] <misty> yoda: yoda is a bot
[09:42] <Yoda> ...but yoda is are green...
[09:42] <misty> yoda:no, yoda is a bot
[09:42] <misty> yoda: no, yoda is a bot
[09:42] <lamfada> Yoda: yoda:
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[09:43] <misty> answer me, yoda :P
[09:43] <lamfada> Yoda: yoda
[09:43] <Yoda> yoda is, like, are green
[09:43] <gauze> yoda is fubar
[09:43] <lamfada> Yoda: yoda is FUBAR
[09:43] <Yoda> ...but yoda is are green...
[09:43] <misty> haha
[09:43] <lamfada> Yoda: no, yoda is FUBAR
[09:43] <misty> yoda: shut up
[09:43] <Yoda> :X
[09:43] <lamfada> Yoda: Yoda
[09:43] <Yoda> i am probably are green
[09:43] <misty> hehe
[09:43] <misty> that's so cute
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[09:44] <misty> yoda: spartacus
[09:44] <Yoda> spartacus is probably a texan.
[09:44] <Spartacus> Hola
[09:44] <misty> a texan, lol
[09:44] Action: misty giggles
[09:44] <lamfada> Tag
[09:44] <misty> spartacus: yoda is totally currupt... ;)
[09:44] <Spartacus> misty: Have you told yoda that texas is the reason? 8)
[09:44] <lamfada> yeah, hes taking bribes
[09:44] <misty> lamfada: spartacus ist nicht deutsch :)
[09:44] <lamfada> ah well, its all the same
[09:45] <misty> er ist aus die schewiz ich denke
[09:45] <misty> schweiz
[09:45] <Spartacus> lamfada: I am a texan!
[09:45] <gauze> texas is the reason that the presidents dead
[09:45] <lamfada> heh
[09:45] <misty> no
[09:45] <misty> sweden
[09:45] <misty> not switzerland
[09:45] <lamfada> arise, Jackie O
[09:45] <Spartacus> misty: I can still be a texan!
[09:45] <misty> are you? :)
[09:45] <gauze> .ch != .se
[09:45] <lamfada> Johnathan Kennedy will rise and be shot down
[09:46] <lamfada> se == Sweden
[09:46] Action: misty uses the channel as RAM
[09:46] <misty> 368-379
[09:46] <Spartacus> gauze: Cant blame a whole state for an individuals death.
[09:46] <misty> ok, it can be written to permanent storage now :P
[09:46] <gauze> Spartacus: it's a song :/
[09:46] <lamfada> SEGFAULT
[09:46] <Spartacus> gauze: aha! 8)
[09:46] <misty> lol
[09:46] <Spartacus> lamfada: sn.umu.se != sweden. == texas
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[09:47] <lamfada> Spartacus: virtual texas ?
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[09:47] <Spartacus> lamfada: More like a mental sphere in my room.
[09:47] <misty> spartacus: what were those words you used before? I forgot them
[09:47] <misty> the 'totally currupt' ones
[09:47] <gauze> actually why can't you blame a whole state for an individuals death? people still blame the jews for Jesus, and the death of Jesus to Christians is a GOOD thing.
[09:47] <Spartacus> misty: vrickad? störd?
[09:47] <gauze> misty: corrupt
[09:47] <misty> ja :)
[09:48] <misty> vrickdad
[09:48] <misty> hehe
[09:48] <gauze> vrickdad?
[09:48] <Spartacus> gauze: Just becouse one group acts stupid doesn't mean you should to 8)
[09:48] <Spartacus> vrickad
[09:49] <misty> yeah yeah
[09:49] <gauze> what is vrickad?
[09:49] <misty> does it mean 'wicked'?
[09:49] <Spartacus> But störd is better to say. vrickad is a little put of fashion.
[09:49] <misty> gauze: totally corrupt :)
[09:49] <gauze> ah.
[09:49] <gauze> hm hm
[09:49] <Spartacus> gauze: Something like totally corrupt yes.
[09:49] <misty> Spartacus: it the o like an umlaut in german?
[09:49] Action: lamfada starts getting ready to go
[09:49] <misty> or a different sound?
[09:49] <misty> no lamfada, stay!
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[09:50] <misty> YAY
[09:50] <gauze> o with the unlats makes it like hm erp
[09:50] <misty> mrOpie came back! :)
[09:50] <lamfada> I am going to drop off an application for some office / studio space
[09:50] <Spartacus> misty: umlaut?
[09:50] <mrOpie> misty: connection died
[09:50] <gauze> ”
[09:50] <misty> Spartacus: yes, the uh.... .. over the o
[09:50] <Spartacus> misty: ö = o with two dots over.
[09:51] <misty> yes
[09:51] <misty> in german that is called umlaut
[09:51] <misty> what does it sound like in swedish?
[09:51] <Spartacus> misty: <misty> Spartacus: yes, the uh.... .. over the o = I am slow 8)
[09:51] <gauze> anyway I think ” makes it sound like 'er'
[09:51] <Spartacus> misty: In sweden it is just called ö 8)
[09:51] <misty> gauze: in german, yes
[09:51] <misty> but more like saying I with an O shape to your mouth
[09:51] <gauze> like in Jonk”ping
[09:52] <misty> also like the french U
[09:52] <gauze> I dunno french
[09:52] <gauze> I dunno ANY of these languages really
[09:52] <gauze> I just know how some words are said and stuff
[09:52] <gauze> like 'skit'
[09:52] <Spartacus> misty: You should get some swedish classes to sort all this out. You could prolly dominate since you know störd and vrickad and things like that.
[09:53] <gauze> I know a bunch of words you can't use for anything in svensk
[09:53] <misty> Spartacus: lol
[09:53] <gauze> like random words.
[09:54] <misty> stoerd and vrickad is all I need to know
[09:54] <Manny-> what is the demos/ dir ?
[09:54] <misty> ok I have to read
[09:54] <misty> bbl
[09:54] Nick change: misty -> misty_reading
[09:54] <Spartacus> misty_reading: totalt korrupt too!
[09:55] <skibum> how many of us are attending the meeting this evening?
[09:55] <gauze> I won't be here
[09:55] Nick change: lamfada -> lamfada_office_space
[09:55] <roguemtl> I will be attending
[09:55] Action: Leno_Work is gonna be there.
[09:55] <gauze> my gf doesn't like it when I IRC at night
[09:55] <lamfada_office_space> The meeting is 6:30 MST?
[09:55] <roguemtl> correct
[09:55] Action: Leno_Work makes a cracking whip noise :)
[09:55] <lamfada_office_space> thats 7:30 MST
[09:55] <gauze> Leno_Work: small price to pay :-)
[09:55] <lamfada_office_space> sorry, CST
[09:56] <Spartacus> skibum: I might be here. Depends on a lot of variables.
[09:56] <lamfada_office_space> probably not, I have to pick up my gf and then we have to eat (she works an overnight tonight)
[09:56] Action: Leno_Work kindof wonders why it was FRIDAY at 6:30, do they expect that we have _NO_ lives.
[09:56] <gauze> what's the word for "pussy whipped" in swedish?
[09:57] <Spartacus> gauze: Que?
[09:57] <gauze> hm.
[09:57] <gauze> now I have to explain pussy whipped. just forget it.
[09:58] <gauze> Sprackta Snut Skallar!
[09:58] <gauze> see I told you all the swedish I know is worthless
[09:58] <Leno_Work> Spartacus: whipped == your gf has total control.
[09:59] <Spartacus> gauze: Do you know what Sprackta Snut Skallar! means?
[09:59] <gauze> sparticus: Cracked Cop Skulls
[09:59] <Spartacus> Wow. He knew 8)
[10:00] <gauze> Fitta ar hjarntvatt.
[10:00] <skibum> gauze: tell here that there is an important meeting
[10:00] <skibum> :)
[10:00] <gauze> seriously I know a bunch of totally random words in swedish
[10:00] <Spartacus> gauze: There is no word for "pussy whipped" but if you have been whipped you are a "toffelhjälte"
[10:00] <gauze> I can make stupid little phrases that mean nothing
[10:01] <Spartacus> Oops. Friends on TV. cu
[10:01] <gauze> hah
[10:01] Nick change: Spartacus -> Spartacus_TV
[10:01] <gauze> u like Courtney Cocks
[10:02] <Spartacus_TV> gauze: Are you, like, toying with me? Using words below the waist and say that they are something else or something?
[10:02] Action: Spartacus_TV is away... for real (since: 07:02pm)
[10:03] <gauze> Spartacus_TV: hm no not really.
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[10:04] <e-t> fejj_school: make spruce be able to sign messages and I'll be super happy :)
[10:04] <gauze> I think fejj is at school.
[10:04] <e-t> i think so too
[10:04] <skibum> make it sort like mutt ;)
[10:04] <gauze> let's ask him.
[10:04] <e-t> but that is no excuse
[10:04] <gauze> fejj_school: are you at school?
[10:05] <e-t> hmm
[10:05] <gauze> I like pine.
[10:05] <e-t> maybe he went to the bathrom
[10:05] <e-t> bathroom
[10:05] <gauze> in an ecks-term
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[10:18] <Cheech> Sweet... Polka version of the Beatles Hey Jude :)
[10:20] Nick change: fejj_school -> fejj
[10:21] <fejj> hey luxie ;-)
[10:21] <fejj> 2 actually
[10:21] <fejj> effective speaking and differential equations
[10:21] <fejj> oh yes
[10:21] <fejj> well
[10:21] <fejj> iffy I guess
[10:21] <e-t> hey fejj
[10:22] <fejj> hey e-t :)
[10:22] <fejj> lux: I like math the besttho, cuz I like talking to this one hot chick in that class
[10:22] <e-t> fejj: just sent a post to the debian-devel list that a spruce package is available.. i put it on my shell on aspect.net
[10:22] <fejj> she's a cs major too ;-)
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[10:22] <fejj> but she doesn't use linux :(
[10:23] <fejj> e-t: thanks
[10:23] <e-t> fejj: there's no way to get it in before the freeze though :(
[10:23] <fejj> :(
[10:23] <fejj> that's ok
[10:24] <e-t> there's like tons of things in incoming that aren't getting in
[10:24] <e-t> oh well
[10:24] <fejj> asked her out once
[10:24] <e-t> does she use mac?
[10:24] <fejj> but she was busy with studying for an Oracle exam that weekend
[10:25] <e-t> cause that wouldn't be so bad i guess..
[10:25] <fejj> no, she uses WindowsNT
[10:25] <e-t> ooh
[10:25] <e-t> fejj: btw.. i love the new tree in spruce :)
[10:25] <fejj> so I dunno if she used Oracle as an excuse to be nice, or if that was really a valid reason
[10:27] <fejj> e-t: :)
[10:28] <e-t> how come linux software never has easter eggs?
[10:28] <fejj> heh
[10:28] <mrOpie> coz it's bloat
[10:28] <fejj> cuz that would be bloat ;-)
[10:28] <mrOpie> why won't debian install on my laptop? this is pathetic
[10:30] <e-t> mrOpie: wrong channel
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[10:30] <mrOpie> I'm complaining, not asking for help :P
[10:30] <fejj> heh
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[10:30] <usafman29> hello from ICeMan
[10:30] <e-t> mrOpie: for my next debian feat, i'm going to try to packagee CUPS
[10:31] <mrOpie> and have tomatoes tossed towards you? :)
[10:31] <e-t> us air force?
[10:31] <usafman29> can anyone try to ftp to ftp://nazark.myip.org
[10:31] <e-t> mrOpie: yay!
[10:31] Nick change: mrOpie -> mrOpie_shower
[10:31] Nick change: mrOpie_shower -> mrOpie_shOwer
[10:32] Nick change: usafman29 -> IceMan
[10:32] <IceMan> can anyone try to ftp to ftp://nazark.myip.org
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[10:32] <IceMan> pls need to know if my sys is on
[10:32] <Spock_washing_up> be back
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[10:33] <e-t> IceMan: it pings fine
[10:33] <e-t> ftp: connect: Connection refused
[10:33] <IceMan> e-t yea i know but try ftp
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[10:33] <IceMan> i am on aol wond allow
[10:33] Nick change: Spock -> Spock_washing_up
[10:34] <e-t> IceMan: that's cause you go through a firewall through them
[10:34] <IceMan> e-t hmm try telnet nazark.myip.org 25
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[10:34] <IceMan> yea stupid aol
[10:34] <McCoy> yo !!
[10:35] <IceMan> e-t did ya try
[10:37] <Spock_washing_up> yo McCoy
[10:38] <e-t> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[10:41] Nick change: e-t -> et|lunch
[10:43] <IceMan> et|lunch hmm, probably DNS problem
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[10:44] <et|lunch> IceMan: not on my side
[10:46] <Spock_washing_up> brb, reboot
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[10:46] <gabe> WooHoo!
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[10:47] Action: gabe is going to start working in a building that has 384Gbits of bandwidth running into it tomorrow.
[10:47] <IceMan> et|lunch i ment on my box
[10:47] Action: gauze puts a goldstar on gabe's shirt
[10:47] <gauze> :-D
[10:48] <gabe> It's the same building e-trade started off in too actually, heh.
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[10:48] <roguemtl> re
[10:48] <gabe> hey Jakje
[10:48] <gabe> I got a job. :)
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[10:48] <gabe> AdvicePress.. they used to have CalderaPress in their office.
[10:49] <gabe> They're "interested" in Stampede too.
[10:49] <gabe> ;)
[10:49] Action: skibum is scared by people that are "interested" in stampede
[10:49] <gabe> Like they wouldn't terribly mind publishing a book+cd set for Stampede at some point in the future.
[10:50] <gabe> heh, to put it lightly that is
[10:50] <gabe> Well, I have work now. I'm happy.
[10:50] <gabe> I can make money fixing up their Linux systems.
[10:52] <skibum> Gabe: how do you rawrite a disk on the mac/
[10:52] Nick change: mrOpie_shOwer -> mrOpie_wOrk
[10:52] <gabe> uhh...
[10:52] <gabe> What are you wanting to write to a disk?
[10:53] <gabe> Cobalt's stock is worth $143/share?
[10:53] <gabe> jeeze
[10:53] <gabe> Can we say "Glamour Stock"?
[10:53] <skibum> a disk image
[10:53] <gabe> A disk image created by what program?
[10:53] <skibum> like something you'd dd in unix
[10:53] <gabe> What disk image?
[10:53] <skibum> dd if=bare.i of=/dev/fd0
[10:53] <skibum> a bootdisk image for a pc
[10:54] <gabe> You don't dd in MacOS, it can't access disks unless it knows the filesystem.
[10:54] <skibum> there's no way to write a raw disk?
[10:54] <gabe> Not that I know of.
[10:54] <gabe> There are pieces of shareware/commercial software that might be able to do something similar. But they usually have a proprietary format.
[10:55] <gabe> Try using DiskCopy first, you can find it on tucows. (allmacintosh.syracuse.net/macintosh.html I think)
[10:55] <skibum> thanks
[10:56] <skibum> Cool.
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[10:58] <Leno_Work> I think Stampede should IPO... sure we're a non-profit orginization, but I think that would be forgotten in the inter-net linux company buying frenzy. :)
[10:58] <gabe> hey Fejj...
[10:58] <skibum> Agreed.
[10:58] <fejj> hey
[10:58] Action: khemicals is back from the dead. Gone 12 hrs 39 min 35 secs
[10:58] <skibum> IPO and buy us all a mansion :)
[10:58] <gabe> How hard do you think it would be to implement a tree/thread structured mailbox viewer in Spruce?
[10:59] <khemicals> gabe: thank you for the info
[10:59] <skibum> go to kernel modules
[10:59] <fejj> gabe: probably very hard
[10:59] <skibum> and insert a module for your network card
[10:59] <gabe> Dave, no problem. Anything to fight the evil villain which is NT.
[10:59] <skibum> fejj: I request mailbox sorting like inmutt
[10:59] <fejj> mailbox sorting?
[11:00] <khemicals> gabe: if you would like a copy of what i wrote i will send it to you
[11:00] <gabe> fejj: *shrug* My boss was looking for a mailreader that acted like a nntp client. So he could delete entire threads of email with one click.
[11:00] <gabe> Dave, yeah sure. :)
[11:00] <khemicals> gabe@nospam.stampede.org?
[11:00] <fejj> gabe: that would make things very complicated for myself
[11:01] <ChakaX> jesus christ...
[11:01] <khemicals> gotcha :)
[11:01] <gabe> hehe
[11:01] <gabe> fejj: hrmph
[11:01] <gabe> Maybe in the future....
[11:01] Action: ChakaX wants etrade to hurry up and cash his check, before transmeta and valinux go public...
[11:02] Action: gabe needs to read up on HylaFAX so he can implement a fax server for the office.
[11:02] <khemicals> sent
[11:02] <gabe> Damn...
[11:02] <gabe> The VA people are getting such big heads about their IPO.
[11:02] <gabe> A lot of the employees are getting very arrogant.
[11:03] <gabe> Anyways...
[11:03] <gabe> I should be starting the PowerPC port of Stampede officially a week from monday.
[11:03] <gauze> f PPC , where is i386 0.90 final?!?!??!?
[11:03] <gauze> I mean cool Power PC
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[11:09] <skibum> fejjie: yeah, like mutt
[11:10] <skibum> fejjie: like:
[11:10] <skibum> like, my mailserver is slow
[11:10] <skibum> 3 + Nov 03 Mark Williams ( 0) GTE circuit
[11:10] <skibum> 4 r + Nov 03 Mark Williams ( 0) >
[11:10] <ChakaX> god damnit...
[11:10] <McCoy> seen dam ?
[11:10] <Yoda> dam was last seen on IRC 9 hours, 33 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: yo ho ho and a bottle of applejuice [Fri Nov 5 03:38:32 1999]
[11:10] <ChakaX> I'm so pissed I missed that ipo...
[11:10] <gabe> gauze: watchoo talkin bout ??! i386?!?! WTF?
[11:11] <gauze> gabe: uh I meant sun3
[11:11] <fejj> skibum: you can sort the mail in the mailboxes
[11:11] <gabe> i586, i686, Alpha, PPC
[11:11] <fejj> is that what you mean?
[11:11] <gauze> gabe: it'll run on i386 though, lowest common denominator :-)
[11:12] <gauze> unless the FAQ lies
[11:12] <gauze> I never tried Stamp on a 386
[11:12] <Zolan> What version is stampede up to now?
[11:12] <gabe> Uhmm... it *might* run ok on a 386
[11:12] <gauze> 0.89 + pre-0.90
[11:13] <gabe> I have run it on a 486 will no problems.
[11:13] <ChakaX> gabe, your hardcore :D
[11:13] <Zolan> Hehehehe, are they gonna pull a slack and jump to 7? =)
[11:13] <gauze> Stampede 2000 is coming out in 3 months
[11:13] <ChakaX> haha
[11:14] <gauze> Solaris 2.6->7 jump is also impressive :-)
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[11:15] <gabe> Reminds me of the whole Word/WordPerfect thing.
[11:15] <gauze> SunOS 5.6->5.7 is consistent though.
[11:15] <gabe> uhm
[11:15] <gauze> Wird jumped from 6 to 95 didn't it ;)
[11:15] <gauze> uh Word
[11:15] <gabe> SunOS 5.6 == Solaris 2.6 doesn't it?
[11:15] <gauze> yes
[11:15] <gauze> but Solaris 2.7 is called Solaris 7
[11:16] <gauze> BUT
[11:16] <gabe> Word jumped from like 3 or 4 to 6 when WordPerfect 6.something was released.
[11:16] <gauze> it's also called SunOS 5.7
[11:16] <gabe> *shrug*
[11:16] <gauze> gabe: ah I didn't know that.
[11:16] <gauze> I never had word
[11:17] <skibum> fejjie: no, like, it sorts threads
[11:17] <gabe> The company I'm gonna be working at is going to be getting rid of a bunch of stuff, including maybe a Sun 10, and I get first pick before it's all put on eBay or something, hehe.
[11:17] <skibum> 3 + Nov 03 Mark Williams ( 0) GTE circuit
[11:17] <skibum> 4 r + Nov 03 Mark Williams ( 0) >
[11:17] <skibum> 5 Nov 03 Andrell Panconi ( 0) Mark Your Calendars...
[11:17] <skibum> 6 Nov 04 Daniel Conder ( 0) >
[11:17] <gauze> gabe: cool!
[11:17] <gabe> Matt, yeah, that's what my boss wanted.
[11:17] <gabe> What program does that?
[11:17] <skibum> mutt
[11:17] <gabe> I'll have to tell him tomorrow.
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[11:18] <gauze> wtf!>!!>
[11:18] <gauze> altavista is using that ask jeezes crap now?
[11:18] <gauze> jeeves
[11:18] <fejj> skibum: I dunno how to do that :\
[11:18] <Beginner> Hi I need help, i couldnt run JDK under Redhat
[11:19] <gauze> hm
[11:19] <gabe> Beginner: #LinuxHelp
[11:19] <gauze> this isn't #java or #redhat. and I don't know what to tell you besides that
[11:19] <gauze> get the right lib version
[11:19] <gauze> that's it.
[11:19] <gauze> if it doesn't work give up.
[11:20] <gabe> We wear cowboy hats and ride horses with attitudes.
[11:20] <fejj> haha
[11:20] <lamfada_office_space> the horses, not us
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[11:20] <gabe> Our horses hate the color red.
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[11:20] <gauze> our horses ride hats
[11:21] <gauze> you know
[11:22] <gauze> having a scsi card with the number 2000 in it is bringing up WAY too many 'y2k' related searches
[11:22] <gauze> I'm searching by model number you see :/
[11:23] <skibum> fejjie: I can help you with pseudo code :P
[11:23] <fejj> haha
[11:24] Action: fejj thinks skibum is drifting slowly into Marketing Dept...
[11:24] Nick change: et|homework -> e-t
[11:24] <fejj> skibum == Steff?
[11:24] <fejj> ;-)
[11:25] <e-t> gauze: what you looking for?
[11:25] <skibum> I could give you real code too, just take me longer to get around to hit :P
[11:25] <fejj> heh
[11:25] <gabe> I need food.
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[11:27] <e-t> hrmm
[11:28] <e-t> have you guys packaged CUPS for stampede?
[11:28] <e-t> it looks like it is going to be complicated to package
[11:29] <e-t> hmm.. maybe not
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[11:31] <Grexo> hello
[11:31] <Yoda> hello, Grexo
[11:31] <Grexo> Stampede hasnt been modified in a month. Whats going on?
[11:31] <Grexo> The logs show stampede distro last modified on sept 27th
[11:31] <Grexo> did stampede stabalize?
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[11:32] Nick change: misty_reading -> misty
[11:32] <Grexo> hi discobob
[11:32] <discobob> yo
[11:33] <misty> hmm
[11:33] <McCoy> yo misty !!
[11:33] <McCoy> hmm ?
[11:33] <gauze> later
[11:33] <misty> yeah
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[11:33] <misty> greusse, mccoy :)
[11:33] <McCoy> gruesse :)
[11:33] <Grexo> did Stampede stabilize?
[11:33] <Grexo> It was last modified on sept 27th
[11:34] <misty> wie geht's?
[11:34] <McCoy> mir geht's ganz gut
[11:34] <McCoy> und dir ?
[11:34] <misty> nur ganz? :)
[11:34] <McCoy> naja, wegen gestern...
[11:34] <misty> ich bin muede, und habe krampfen (spock taught me how to say it :) aber es geht ok :)
[11:35] <lamfada> Grexo: the stampede linux developers are currently focusing on the pre-0.90 tree
[11:35] <McCoy> kraempfe, ah
[11:35] <Grexo> sprechen english?
[11:35] <Grexo> heh
[11:35] <misty> Grexo :)
[11:35] <Grexo> thanks lamfada ;-)
[11:35] <misty> what's up?
[11:35] <misty> lamfada
[11:35] <lamfada> kein problem
[11:35] <lamfada> Tag, alle
[11:35] <McCoy> machen wir den channel deutsch ?
[11:35] <Grexo> lamfada: I see.
[11:35] <lamfada> #stampede_deutsch
[11:36] Action: Grexo asks if he should join #stampede_english ;-)
[11:36] <lamfada> #stampede_multilingual
[11:36] <McCoy> :)
[11:37] <lamfada> we just seem to have a lot of english and german speakers here :)
[11:37] <Grexo> stampede must be big in germany
[11:37] <Leno_Work> english, german, and swedish
[11:37] <McCoy> looks like
[11:37] <misty> no actually lamfada and I are both american
[11:37] <misty> but we speak passable german :)
[11:38] <lamfada> ein bischen
[11:38] <misty> and I at least like to practice on the poor victims in here hehe
[11:38] <McCoy> :)
[11:38] <Grexo> heh
[11:38] <lamfada> yeah, swedes, too
[11:38] <McCoy> ich kann deutsch am besten !!
[11:38] <misty> hehe
[11:38] <misty> especially swedes
[11:38] <Grexo> Tonight Microsoft's verdict comes out! (YAY!)
[11:38] <lamfada> but they mostly stick with english
[11:38] <Grexo> Microsoft is going to go downhill tonight ;-)
[11:38] <misty> why?
[11:38] <lamfada> Micorsfot is irrelevant
[11:39] <e-t> their verdict is coming tonight?
[11:39] <e-t> wow
[11:39] <e-t> i don't think anything drastic will happen :P
[11:39] <misty> lol
[11:39] <lamfada> from the page:
[11:39] <lamfada> This release will occur at 6:30 pm (eastern time)
[11:39] <lamfada> on an undesignated Friday, likely between now and the end of November.
[11:39] <misty> everyone hates them anyway
[11:40] <lamfada> well, its not like "everybody" is going to rush out and get Win2k
[11:40] <lamfada> or Win3k, at this rate
[11:40] <roguemtl> My guess is that Microsoft stock will go up, not down, as result of the upcoming judgement
[11:41] <lamfada> yeah, esp. if it gets broken up
[11:41] <roguemtl> I can't imagine how it could possibly be severe enough that they would take a stock hit
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[11:41] <Spock> Yo
[11:41] <roguemtl> and people will see this as a 'stable' thing... that they're putting this behind them
[11:41] <roguemtl> Spock: coming to the meeting tonight?
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[11:41] <lamfada> well, it is overvalued
[11:41] <Spock> roguemtl: Yup, I have beer, so I can come ...
[11:42] <lamfada> but they still have the Corel suit
[11:42] <Spock> ;P
[11:42] <lamfada> Spock: Ich will ein Paulaner Dunkeles Hefe ...
[11:42] <Spock> roguemtl: What about SLAB, Mino said you'll cahnge it ? Is that right ? Will that be discussed that night ?
[11:43] <Spock> lamfada: I only have Radeberger Pilsener ... and Gluehwein :)
[11:43] <lamfada> schade
[11:43] <lamfada> :)
[11:43] <Spock> lamfada: Wieso ? Radeberger ist _das_ Bier !
[11:44] <lamfada> Ich mag Hefe ganz gern
[11:44] <Spock> lamfada: Ja, ich auch, aber das zeiht immer so rein ....
[11:44] <Spock> s/teiht/zieht
[11:44] <lamfada> Ich hasse Ami Bier ...
[11:45] <Spock> lamfada: Right, ich auch, ich habe mal Miller probiert ... ich musste fast kotzen
[11:45] <roguemtl> Spock: The current state of SLAB is on the agenda for tonight's meeting.
[11:45] <Spock> roguemtl: OK, I'll be there ;)
[11:45] <lamfada> roguemtl: is the agenda posted anywhere ?
[11:46] <Spock> OK, still have to wash up ... :(
[11:46] Nick change: Spock -> Spock_washing_up
[11:47] <roguemtl> lamfada: Have to check with skibum. If there are things you want added to the agenda, make sure you let skibum know :)
[11:48] <lamfada> thx
[11:48] Action: skibum is gone: lunch [Rec|ON]
[11:48] <skibum> email me re: meeting
[11:48] <lamfada> ok
[11:48] <roguemtl> (skibum@stampede.org)
[11:48] <lamfada> yep
[11:55] Action: roguemtl will bbl +~ 2h
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[11:56] <lamfada> Yoda: seen Leno_Work
[11:56] <Yoda> Leno_Work was last seen on IRC 18 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: english, german, and swedish [Fri Nov 5 13:38:51 1999]
[12:00] <e-t> fejj: i believe it is time to put some sort of status on messages.. i do not like hunting through all of my folders to find new messages..
[12:04] <lamfada> gotta run errands, bbs
[12:05] <fejj> already added that
[12:05] <e-t> fejj: cvs?
[12:05] <fejj> you need to set the fonts tho in Apearances
[12:05] <fejj> no, 0.5.8
[12:05] <e-t> oh
[12:05] <e-t> yippie
[12:05] <fejj> :)
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[12:06] <e-t> now how about folders?
[12:07] <fejj> I got a patch for that
[12:07] <fejj> but it was for 0.5.7
[12:08] <fejj> and it won't be easy to commit
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[12:10] <e-t> hmm.. my mem is getting up there..
[12:13] <slatribat> I have been asking this before but... has anyone been putting together a ppp-2.3.10.slp or similar?
[12:15] <e-t> wow.. that was spruce
[12:16] <e-t> spruce does NOT like my inbox
[12:16] <slatribat> hum.. I acidently deleted my whole spruce Inbox today... I feel great ;)
[12:17] <e-t> wee
[12:18] <Spock_washing_up> slatribat: No not yet ...
[12:18] <slatribat> Spock_washing_up: about the ppp ? :)
[12:18] <e-t> is slatribat supposed to be slartibartfast?
[12:18] <slatribat> hehe
[12:19] <slatribat> slatribat is far easier to type :)
[12:19] <e-t> or whatever that guy's name was?
[12:19] <slatribat> he who made Norway :)
[12:19] <e-t> yes :)
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[12:20] <Spock_washing_up> slatribat: Yeah, about pppp
[12:20] <Spock_washing_up> ups
[12:20] <Spock_washing_up> ppp
[12:20] <slatribat> ok, thanks
[12:21] <slatribat> it´s a pitty that I can´t seem to get the tarball correctly installed..
[12:23] Nick change: e-t -> et|reading|napping
[12:23] <Leno_Work> seen minotaur
[12:23] <Yoda> minotaur was last seen on IRC 2 hours, 55 minutes and 22 seconds ago, saying: Nah, my packages are binary only. [Fri Nov 5 11:29:36 1999]
[12:23] <khemicals> weather khao
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[12:24] <misty> hrmph
[12:24] <misty> stupid peer
[12:24] <Spock_washing_up> misty: He
[12:24] <McCoy> :)
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[12:30] <misty> hi slug
[12:30] <slug> hi misty
[12:31] <Spock_washing_up> Hey slug
[12:32] <slug> sounds like I am busted how can i help you to-day?
[12:33] <misty> huh?
[12:33] <misty> Spock_washing_up how long does it take you to wash up???
[12:34] <Spock_washing_up> misty: Hmm I'm not ready yet ... I only pause because my hands are fully wetted (is this correct ?)
[12:36] Action: lux has returned... [atl]
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[12:38] <Yoda> I haven't seen 'skikbum', lux
[12:38] <Yoda> skibum was last seen on IRC 50 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying: email me re: meeting [Fri Nov 5 13:49:31 1999]
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[12:40] <Leno_Work> Spock_washing_up: "because my hands are wet" would be more approiate.
[12:41] <Spock_washing_up> Leno_Work: NO, that's not what I mean
[12:41] <Spock_washing_up> Leno_Work: I mean they are fully soaked
[12:41] <Spock_washing_up> lux: Yup
[12:41] <Spock_washing_up> That's what I meant
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[12:41] <Spock_washing_up> yo needo
[12:42] <needo> Hey guys
[12:42] <needo> heya
[12:42] Action: needo just got finished moving
[12:42] <Spock_washing_up> needo: sup w/ your cam ?
[12:42] Nick change: tybollt -> blair_witch_tybollt
[12:42] <needo> Its not working right now.
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[12:43] <Spock_washing_up> :(
[12:43] <needo> lux: Another room in the house. Cheryl just had major back surgery so Im moving in to another room because she cant go up and down the stairs.
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[12:45] <needo> I didnt have a choice.
[12:45] <Spock_washing_up> ;P
[12:45] <needo> But I would've done it anyway.
[12:46] <Spock_washing_up> *hungry*
[12:49] Nick change: blair_witch_tybollt -> tybollt_Toronto_maple_leafs_fa
[12:49] <tybollt_Toronto_maple_leafs_fa> ;)
[12:49] Nick change: tybollt_Toronto_maple_leafs_fa -> tybollt
[12:49] <needo> Cheryl's daughter said she would stick around while her mother was recuperating but she moved out behind everyones back
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[12:58] <tybollt> hehe
[12:58] <tybollt> nap time's up =)
[12:58] <Grexo> microsoft verdict is due soon!
[12:58] <Grexo> ;-)
[12:58] <tybollt> 's like a fucking siest over in the states huh?
[12:59] Action: Grexo turns up court TV for the verdict which will be occuring soon
[12:59] <tybollt> grexo_ What verdict?
[13:00] <tybollt> grexo: The OJ verdict again and again and again? ;(
[13:00] <tybollt> ;)
[13:00] <Grexo> microsoft verdict
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[13:00] <Grexo> not OJ
[13:00] <Grexo> ;-)
[13:00] <Grexo> The BIG MS Anti-trust suit!
[13:01] <Grexo> The people who us Linux'ers think are the bad guys.
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[13:01] <tybollt> bonjour Rhiannon
[13:02] Nick change: Grexo -> Powerline
[13:02] Nick change: Powerline -> Powergrid
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[13:03] <tybollt> grexo: Is that TODAY?
[13:03] Nick change: Powergrid -> grexo
[13:03] <tybollt> gfrexo: Duh! Reading slashdot now ?=
[13:03] <tybollt> =)
[13:03] <Fo_Gish> yoda: Gad?
[13:03] <Yoda> Gad is a band; a troop
[13:03] <Fo_Gish> yoda: Asher?
[13:03] <Yoda> i heard Asher was happiness
[13:04] <Fo_Gish> hmmm hes on dugs again
[13:04] <Fo_Gish> drugs even
[13:04] <grexo> tybollt: Yes its on slashdot
[13:04] <grexo> ;-)
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[13:04] <grexo> it got mentioned
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[13:09] <Fo_Gish> ugggh
[13:10] <Epitaph> Hey guy.
[13:11] <Spock_washing_up> Yoda: Black Sabbath ?
[13:11] <Yoda> i don't know, spock_washing_up
[13:11] <Spock_washing_up> Yoda: Black Sabbath is the greatest metal band of the world !
[13:11] <Spock_washing_up> Yoda: Black Sabbath ?
[13:11] <Yoda> i guess Black Sabbath is the greatest metal band of the world !
[13:12] <Spock_washing_up> Yaeah that's right now
[13:13] <Spock_washing_up> Yoda: Manowar ?
[13:13] <Yoda> spock_washing_up: wish i knew
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[13:13] <Spock_washing_up> Yoda: Manowar kick ass
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[13:13] <Spock_washing_up> Yoda: Manowar ?
[13:13] <Yoda> spock_washing_up: no idea
[13:13] <Spock_washing_up> Yoda: Manowar are kickin' ass
[13:13] <Spock_washing_up> Yoda: Manowar ?
[13:13] <Yoda> Manowar are kickin' ass
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[13:16] <Spock_washing_up> brb, wash up again
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[13:19] <gabe> hmm...
[13:19] <gabe> anyone played with LKCD yet?
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[13:21] <needo> fejj
[13:22] <Brax> GO ON BAN ME IDOTIC F00L
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[13:22] <lamfada> whatta moron
[13:22] <Spock_washing_up> lux: WTH YOU ARE DOIN HERE ?
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[13:23] <Spock_washing_up> Why did you wanna ban Brax ?
[13:23] <Spock_washing_up> What the hell did he wrong ?
[13:24] <lamfada> well, calling lux an IDIOTIC FOOL was not the brightest of ideas :)
[13:25] <Spock_washing_up> lux: THX for your answer ... it helped me a lot
[13:25] <Spock_washing_up> lamfada: He said the after she wanted to ban him ...
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[13:25] <lamfada> Spock_washing_up: I know that, but asking "why" is probably a less --- umm --- antagonistic thing to do
[13:26] <Fo_Gish> hi
[13:26] <Fo_Gish> great
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[13:27] <DraX> hey lux.
[13:27] <DraX> Rhiannon: hey
[13:27] <Fo_Gish> yes and no
[13:27] <misty_nap> Drax :)
[13:27] <DraX> anyone ever set yp Exim.
[13:27] <DraX> hey misty
[13:28] <Spock_washing_up> lamfada: You mean it's antagonistic asking lux why she wanted to ban someone ?
[13:29] Nick change: misty_nap -> misty
[13:29] <misty> drax: it's much nicer sometiems when you are on /ignore
[13:29] <misty> :P
[13:29] <Spock_washing_up> Oh, yeah, the indisputable lux, I'm so sorry for asking her something, bah
[13:29] <khemicals> drax i have
[13:30] <DraX> khemicals: mind helping me out?
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[13:30] <khemicals> what is the problem?
[13:30] <misty> oooh, the log
[13:30] <khemicals> i have limited experience with it
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[13:30] <misty> we have God in the channel, folks
[13:31] <misty> everyone get out the rosary
[13:31] <Spock_washing_up> Yeah seems so
[13:31] <DraX> khemicals: i can't find out how to get it to start
[13:31] <misty> her royal bitchiness is in our presence
[13:31] <Spock_washing_up> LOL
[13:31] <Spock_washing_up> RIGHT
[13:31] <khemicals> DraX: did you make the symlinks that the docs talk about?
[13:32] <khemicals> DraX: what ip is this machien you are setting it up on?
[13:32] <khemicals> /msg it to me if you want
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[13:33] <khemicals> DraX: the docs aren't useless... they aren't that helpful but they aren't useless :)
[13:34] <khemicals> you have sendmail running, why do you want to switch to something else
[13:34] <DraX> cause i can root that version of sendmail
[13:34] <khemicals> gotcha :)
[13:34] <khemicals> let me figure somethin out... hold up a sec
[13:35] <khemicals> mv /usr/sbin/sendmail /sendmail.old
[13:36] <DraX> /sendmail.old?
[13:37] <misty> prolly /usr/sbin/sendmail.old
[13:37] <khemicals> ack/usr/sbin/sendmail.old
[13:37] <misty> :)
[13:37] <khemicals> sorry :)
[13:37] <DraX> thats what i thought
[13:37] <khemicals> ln -s /blah/eximexicutable /usr/sbin/sendmail
[13:38] <DraX> done
[13:38] <khemicals> send inetd the HUP signal
[13:38] <khemicals> and you should be set
[13:38] <DraX> inetd?
[13:38] <khemicals> (i assume you run sendmail from inetd)
[13:38] <DraX> what
[13:38] <DraX> nooo
[13:39] <khemicals> how do you run it then
[13:39] <DraX> exim needs to be standalone
[13:39] <DraX> standalone
[13:39] <khemicals> sendmail -bd
[13:39] <khemicals> that will do exim for you in daemon mode
[13:39] <khemicals> but you will need to kill the sendmail process first
[13:40] <DraX> done
[13:40] <DraX> awesome
[13:41] <DraX> and i setup pop3 the other day
[13:41] <khemicals> ack, you have telnet running on that server
[13:41] <DraX> fully aware of that
[13:41] <Fo_Gish> welp gotta go
[13:41] <DraX> khemicals: the box won't compile ssh
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[13:42] <DraX> the cpu is defective
[13:42] <DraX> i get sig 11's
[13:42] <DraX> same with kernel
[13:42] <DraX> i have to do the kernel in strides
[13:42] <khemicals> why not just use the slp
[13:42] <DraX> slackware box
[13:42] <khemicals> libc5?
[13:42] <DraX> yup
[13:42] <DraX> i have stampede downloaded on it
[13:42] <khemicals> are there any old rpm's for it?
[13:43] <DraX> i have all the old packages
[13:43] <DraX> but it dosen't include ssh
[13:43] <khemicals> right, but there certainly is a libc5 binary of rpm
[13:43] <khemicals> and then there probably is a libc5 rpm of ssh
[13:43] <DraX> i'll just keep trying to get it to compile
[13:44] <DraX> the box already got hacked into
[13:44] <DraX> i had to take debug tools to the drive
[13:44] <DraX> to get rid of the backdoored login bin
[13:44] <khemicals> or can you install slck on another machien temporarily and compile on it
[13:45] <khemicals> ack, ignore typos :)
[13:45] <misty> what's matt's email?
[13:45] <DraX> thats a good idea
[13:45] <khemicals> skibum@stampede.org
[13:45] <misty> thanks
[13:45] <DraX> i'll get my sshd binary thats on my home computer
[13:45] <khemicals> DraX: mind if i run a portsniffer on it?
[13:45] <DraX> might as well
[13:46] <DraX> the funny part is i've secured it up so much more then when i got to it
[13:46] <khemicals> you should up the kernel to 2.2.13
[13:47] <DraX> it took me 1 year to get the kernel compiled and working
[13:47] <DraX> i don't even make clean any more
[13:47] <DraX> when i need to add new stuff
[13:47] <DraX> mind msging me that port scan?
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[13:48] <mick> Tag.
[13:48] <khemicals> i will when it is done
[13:48] <DraX> ok
[13:49] <khemicals> what CPU is on the machine?
[13:49] <DraX> amd k6-2 233
[13:49] <DraX> we were planning to up it to a 350
[13:49] <khemicals> can't you get anohter good one for like $10
[13:49] <DraX> khemicals: the box is school board property, falling into school board budget
[13:50] <DraX> and we spent about $300 of our budget on more ram
[13:50] <DraX> i was told we had about $500
[13:50] <khemicals> DraX: i understand... how much ram is on it... i work for a school so i do know how that stuff works
[13:51] <DraX> it has 384 megs
[13:52] <khemicals> what do you do on that box...
[13:52] Action: khemicals is fighting with some people in the school over the nt vs linux issue
[13:52] <DraX> web server, 500+ hits weekly
[13:52] <khemicals> 500 hits a week is not that many
[13:53] <DraX> + is the key
[13:53] <khemicals> gotcha
[13:53] <DraX> i've actully seen 2000 hits in a week
[13:53] <DraX> and i've seen as low as 400 hits
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[13:56] <discobob_> yo
[13:57] <misty> can you do bcc in pine?
[13:57] <khemicals> yes
[13:57] <khemicals> ctrl+r
[13:57] <misty> thanks
[13:58] <misty> Spock, lamfada, what are your emails?
[13:58] <misty> and what's leno's and fo-gish's?
[13:58] <lamfada> lamfada@lugh.net
[13:58] <khemicals> rawb@DONTSPAMHIM.xmission.com
[13:59] <misty> shold I take the dontspam out? ;)
[13:59] <khemicals> no :)
[14:00] <misty> how bout joyce?
[14:00] <joyce> well, joyce@brickwall.org, when it works =)
[14:00] <Spock_washing_up> misty: spock@mgnet.de
[14:00] <joyce> use joyce@xmission.com for now.
[14:00] <misty> thanks joyce
[14:00] <joyce> np
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[14:01] <misty> anybody else wanna see a pissy email?
[14:01] <khemicals> from?
[14:01] <lamfada> lol
[14:01] <misty> from me
[14:01] <khemicals> about?
[14:01] <misty> I'd rather not say
[14:01] <misty> :)
[14:02] <khemicals> guess not if you won't give me a primer first
[14:02] <misty> kay
[14:02] Action: fejj commit's cvs
[14:03] <misty> fejjiebaby
[14:03] <misty> what's your email?
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[14:03] <fejj> fejj@stampede.org
[14:03] <misty> k
[14:03] <needo> misty: needo@superhero.org
[14:04] <misty> thanks needo
[14:04] <fejj> :)
[14:04] Action: khemicals reminds people that all these addresses are stored on the logs and thus show up on the web page
[14:04] <needo> fejj: whats been updated in Spruce?
[14:04] <Spock_washing_up> khemicals: And ? You dan't have a spam filter ?
[14:04] <misty> it's sent
[14:04] <Spock_washing_up> Yaeh
[14:04] <fejj> a bug in accounts dialog
[14:04] <khemicals> Spock_washing_up: i tend to not need one due to how i use my addresses
[14:05] <khemicals> and i like to keep it that way :)
[14:06] <lamfada> heh, I need to change my whois records to a different mailbox
[14:06] <lamfada> Most of my spam comes from them / people who abuse them
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[14:07] <fejj> needo: also added Danish support (nott hat you should care)
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[14:07] <DraX> god
[14:08] <misty> eh?
[14:09] <DraX> misty: got disconnected
[14:09] <DraX> brb
[14:10] <Spock_washing_up> Yeah, for sure she'll do that
[14:10] <lamfada> yeah, I believe that
[14:10] <Spock_washing_up> That damn bitch
[14:10] <Spock_washing_up> ROFL
[14:10] <discobob> discobob@stampede.org has thus far been imune to spam...
[14:10] <discobob> well, non stampede spam anyway...
[14:10] Action: McCoy is misty's first spam victim.
[14:11] <misty> lol
[14:12] <Spock_washing_up> Die , die die my darling, we're gonna meet in hee-el
[14:12] <Spock_washing_up> (metallica)
[14:13] <misty> no lux, only yours
[14:13] <mick> bbl. chow.
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[14:13] <lamfada> I'll have spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, baked beans, and spam
[14:14] <DraX> yuck
[14:14] Action: needo needs to talk to his advisor about why he cant sign up for this math course.
[14:15] <Spock_washing_up> needo: fight
[14:15] <Spock_washing_up> needo: for your right
[14:15] <needo> to do math?
[14:15] <Spock_washing_up> Yeah
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[14:18] Nick change: lux_ -> lux
[14:18] <DraX> BAD bitch
[14:18] <DraX> no friends
[14:18] <misty> lol
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[14:19] <misty> drax, hush
[14:19] <Spock_washing_up> hi rogue
[14:19] <DraX> misty: sorry
[14:20] <tybollt> hey ho
[14:22] #stampede: mode change '+o mrOpie_wOrk' by fejj!null@216-164-251-39.s293.tnt3.atn.pa.dialup.rcn.com
[14:23] <Spock_washing_up> fejj the op bot
[14:23] <fejj> heh
[14:23] <fejj> yup
[14:24] <HappyDed> oh! Devel meeting today!
[14:24] Action: fejj can't seem to unsibscribe to linux-kernel mailing list...I've sent em an email from every one of my addy's to unsubscribe and I keep getting dumped on :\
[14:24] <HappyDed> what time is it in CST?
[14:24] <HappyDed> aww... that sucks
[14:24] <HappyDed> dinner hour
[14:25] <HappyDed> actually, we might eat later than that
[14:26] <Spock_washing_up> fejj: Look at the header, It'll tell you how you subscribed
[14:27] <fejj> ugh
[14:27] <fejj> too late
[14:27] <fejj> I already echo -n > kernel.mbx
[14:27] <fejj> :\
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[14:28] <grexo> microsoft verdict watch
[14:28] <grexo> ;-)
[14:28] <grexo> Microsoft will topple like the wind
[14:28] <Spock_washing_up> fejj: But in every message you get your recv addy is included
[14:29] Nick change: tybollt -> tybollt_0
[14:29] Nick change: tybollt_0 -> tybollt_0_90
[14:29] <fejj> ah yes
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[14:29] <fejj> I finally sent it from the right addy
[14:29] <Spock_washing_up> fejj: There ya go
[14:29] <fejj> xtort@lito.aspect.net
[14:29] <fejj> !
[14:29] Action: fejj has too may email addy's
[14:30] <Spock_washing_up> He me too
[14:30] <misty> fejj, did you get the email?
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[14:30] <fejj> I got 1 at netnerd.net, e-ther.net, xtorshun.org, erols.com, stampede.org, aspect.net, etc
[14:30] <misty> haha
[14:30] <misty> I just sent to stampede.org :)
[14:30] <fejj> and used to have one at xt0rshun.org
[14:31] <lamfada> fejj: .forward
[14:31] <Spock_washing_up> fejj: .qmail- files :P
[14:31] <fejj> but that company rm -rf'd me from their server :(
[14:31] <fejj> .forward?
[14:31] <iv> xt0rshun.org.. thats ran by xp0rnstar
[14:32] <iv> (sil)
[14:32] <fejj> no
[14:32] <iv> anyways
[14:32] <fejj> it was run by my x-g/f
[14:32] <iv> hmm......
[14:32] <iv> vetes?
[14:32] <fejj> who's vetes?
[14:32] <iv> n/m
[14:32] <fejj> she went by faith
[14:33] <iv> now, how to change the msg when people log on to my ftp server?
[14:33] <fejj> modify /etc/issue
[14:33] <iv> h..
[14:33] <fejj> or /etc/motd
[14:33] <fejj> motd shows up after they log in
[14:33] <fejj> issue shows up before the prompt
[14:34] <iv> and what for the logout message?
[14:34] <fejj> actually, from network logins, you want to edit /etc/issue.net
[14:34] <fejj> iv: edit their ~/.logout file
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[14:35] <fejj> freakin hell
[14:35] <fejj> my licq was killing my cpus
[14:35] Action: fejj was afraid it was a bug in spruce :\
[14:35] <iv> thx
[14:35] <fejj> heh
[14:35] <fejj> np
[14:35] <fejj> iv
[14:35] <iv> i have licq, micq is cool
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[14:35] <iv> not micq
[14:35] <fejj> http://www.xtorshun.org
[14:36] <skibum> yo
[14:36] <iv> i mean zicq
[14:36] <fejj> it's the new site
[14:36] <fejj> yo skibum ;-)
[14:36] <Spock_washing_up> hi ski
[14:36] Nick change: Spock_washing_up -> Spock
[14:36] <fejj> iv: you run stampede?
[14:37] <skibum> Leave here?
[14:37] <skibum> hi spock
[14:37] Action: fejj is surprised anyone cept me and my x-g/f even knew about xt0rshun.org
[14:39] <iv> ( fejj ) - nope
[14:39] <McCoy> brb
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[14:39] <fejj> iv: slack?
[14:39] <tybollt_0_90> fejj: xt0r? Heh, is that the latest in w4r3z and kiddie pr0n distribution? ;-P
[14:39] <iv> yeh
[14:39] <iv> i wanted to try slack7
[14:39] Action: tybollt_0_90 ducks
[14:39] <fejj> tybollt_0_90: haha
[14:39] <fejj> tybollt_0_90: heh, well - lets put it this way
[14:40] <tybollt_0_90> No offense, just that xt0r, sounds sort of well... you get it =)
[14:40] <fejj> the guy who regged it for my x-g/f goes by xp0rnstar
[14:40] <fejj> I guess he feels the need to add 0's where O's should be
[14:40] <tybollt_0_90> so about T minus 1 hour and twenty minutes
[14:41] <tybollt_0_90> fejj Ok =)
[14:41] Nick change: iv -> iv-awy
[14:41] <tybollt_0_90> EST == x MST?
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[14:41] <tybollt_0_90> Oh and btw, have you guys seen this one? http://www.solace.mh.se/~tybollt/christmas_tux.png
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[14:43] <skibum> What's up spock?
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[14:44] <Spock> skibum: Got E compiled right now !!!!!!!!! It rules !
[14:44] <HappyDed> skibum: will I ever get to give you my source code? =)
[14:45] <HappyDed> E rocks
[14:45] <fejj> yo sublime
[14:45] <sublime> hey fejj
[14:45] <HappyDed> but it's WAY too slow for my tastes
[14:45] <sublime> any news on spruce?
[14:45] <fejj> sup fool?
[14:45] <sublime> not much dog
[14:45] <fejj> heh
[14:45] Nick change: iv-awy -> iv
[14:45] <fejj> yea, got imap workin
[14:45] <skibum> Spock: cool!
[14:45] <skibum> HappyDed: yeah!
[14:45] <sublime> mmmm imap.
[14:45] <fejj> pgp is on it's way
[14:45] <Spock> skibum: Yeah, 0.16.1
[14:45] <sublime> good
[14:45] <sublime> when you have pgp AND threads
[14:45] <sublime> you will be the pimp.
[14:45] <roguemtl> gpg?
[14:45] <sublime> pgp.
[14:45] <sublime> :P
[14:45] <Spock> skibum: That was the first thing on the way to 0.90 E
[14:45] <skibum> gpg too
[14:46] <fejj> roguemtl: yes, and gpg
[14:46] <fejj> I'm supporting both pgp and gpg
[14:46] <roguemtl> rock! :)
[14:46] <skibum> Spock :)
[14:46] <sublime> Actually
[14:46] <fejj> sublime: I freed up that problem with it locking up
[14:46] <sublime> if spruce supports gpg well, and gpg is compatible with pgp keys, I'll use it.
[14:46] <HappyDed> skibum: you gonna be home during the devel meeting?
[14:48] Action: fejj cries cuz he's home with no woman on a friday night
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[14:48] <skibum> HappyDed: yah!
[14:48] <fejj> angela rejected me :(
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[14:49] <fejj> heh, actually she's gonna be in NYC this weekend
[14:49] <sublime> What happened between you and mel?
[14:49] <fejj> <-- too much codin', not enough lovin'
[14:49] <fejj> that's my guess
[14:49] <sublime> ah, had to spray her ass with some bitchbegone, eh
[14:49] <fejj> heh
[14:49] <sublime> she dropped you?
[14:49] <fejj> yep
[14:50] <fejj> yup
[14:50] <fejj> like a pc with Win98 on it :\
[14:50] <sublime> I dont dig clingy chicks, thats why my girlfriend and I get along so great.
[14:50] <Spock> <---------- Too much coding and gettin' trouble therefore
[14:50] <fejj> heh
[14:50] <sublime> <--- too much sex, not enough perl.
[14:50] <fejj> don't let McCoy outta yer sites ;-)
[14:50] <sublime> there's my problem, I'm over sexed, dammit.
[14:51] <fejj> haha
[14:51] <Spock> fejj: I'll never do
[14:52] <tybollt_0_90> fejj: You sad cause you got rejected? Heck I'd be HAPPY to get rejected!
[14:52] <Spock> LOL
[14:52] <fejj> tybollt_0_90: this girl is a BABE
[14:52] <fejj> and she's (another) CS major
[14:52] <sublime> I'd do you, fejj.
[14:52] <fejj> <-- has a thing for women in CS
[14:52] <fejj> sublime: uh...
[14:52] <fejj> heh
[14:53] <Spock> <---- has a thing for sexy girls
[14:53] Action: lamfada has a thing for dancers
[14:53] <fejj> sexy + CS major = heavenly
[14:53] <tybollt_0_90> cs?
[14:54] <Spock> fejj: Yeah
[14:54] <fejj> computer science
[14:54] Action: fejj needs a hacker chick
[14:54] Action: Spock has one (nearly)
[14:54] <skibum> hehe
[14:54] <skibum> "Hey baby, I'll buy you dinner if you debug my kernel!"
[14:54] Action: fejj will basically settle for a chick that knows how to click a mouse (I'm desperate)
[14:55] <fejj> skibum: haha
[14:55] <Spock> skibum: Hey, she compiled E (with lille advices from me )
[14:55] <skibum> =]
[14:55] <lamfada> does anyone have a win98 boot disk that they can dd and send the file to me? I am checking out vmware
[14:55] <lamfada> and need one that can read a cd-rom (vmware makes it look like an IDE)
[14:56] Action: tybollt_0_90 actually wants a honey that doesn't know anything about scomputers... Chicks that dig puters are trouble, I tell you that much.
[14:56] <fejj> tybollt_0_90: yep, but I'm a sucker for em
[14:56] <Spock> tybollt_0_90: Yaeh, that's a point
[14:56] <Spock> tybollt_0_90: I can tell stories
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[14:58] <sublime> You never want a chick that knows more about your box than you do
[14:59] <sublime> you piss her off, your box will be mailing her logs of everything you do for monnths
[14:59] <sublime> and you'll never be the wiser.
[14:59] <lamfada> yeah, you will never hide your pr0n that way!
[14:59] <lamfada> :)
[14:59] <fejj> heh
[14:59] <fejj> sublime: I never had my boxen so secure till I met mel ;-)
[14:59] <sublime> hahaha
[15:00] <sublime> Who do you think taught mel about security? =P
[15:00] <fejj> ahhh, so you're who she learned it from ;-)
[15:00] <sublime> YEAP.
[15:00] <sublime> =P
[15:00] <fejj> heh
[15:01] Nick change: Spartacus_TV -> Spartauc
[15:01] Nick change: Spartauc -> Spartaucs
[15:01] <Spartaucs> Oi!
[15:01] <Spartaucs> 'I cantr spell
[15:01] <Spock> Hi Sparta
[15:01] <Spartaucs> Spock: Oi! You wil attende to the meeting?
[15:01] <Spock> Yup
[15:02] <fejj> I found myself chmod -R g-rwx,o-rwx 'ing a lot of directories
[15:02] <Spartaucs> Spock: I will nor. I am on my way to a person who does not have a vompitet.
[15:02] <Spartaucs> Spock: Tell the guys that "CHOICE" is the keyword inte evertytnig.
[15:02] <sublime> rofl
[15:02] <Spock> He
[15:02] Action: iv is idle, automatically dead [bX(l/on p/off)]
[15:03] <sublime> chmod 700 works. :)
[15:03] <Spartaucs> Spock: No RH no spackeware. no nothing. Ju st a bunch of choices! That s what satmpefe is about.
[15:03] Action: Spartaucs is vbunk
[15:03] <Spartaucs> druink that is
[15:03] <Spartaucs> drunk even
[15:03] <fejj> sublime: but I needed to do it recursively
[15:03] <Spartaucs> hahahahah½!
[15:03] <Spartaucs> i cant spell
[15:03] <Spock> Spartaucs: Yaeh you're really drunk !
[15:04] <Spock> Spartaucs: Are you really ?
[15:04] <Spartaucs> sublime; why arere you laughing??? 8)
[15:04] <sublime> spart: cus you's a funny motherfucker.
[15:04] <sublime> :P
[15:04] <fejj> heh
[15:04] <Spock> He he
[15:04] <Spartaucs> Spock: oops... i guess i am.... i eay supasues tp stody but oi guess i wont 8)
[15:04] <Spartaucs> ehhehehehe. i wlll vo going
[15:04] <sublime> damn, dude.
[15:04] <Spartaucs> d
[15:04] <Spartaucs> d
[15:04] <sublime> You need to learn how to type when drunk.
[15:04] <Spartaucs> DRUNK!!!
[15:05] <Spartaucs> sublime: ius that right? 8)
[15:05] <sublime> Its really not hard, I mean, just follow the keys around as they move.
[15:05] <Spartaucs> aweay for nor on-.
[15:05] <Spartaucs> sublime. 8)
[15:05] <Spartaucs> kktsrgfjrt
[15:05] <Spock> Spartaucs: Go to bed and sleep - that's the best ;P
[15:05] <sublime> it takes some practice, but you'll pick it up.
[15:05] <sublime> <--- king of typing while drunk.
[15:06] <sublime> I've written perl scripts drunk
[15:06] <sublime> they actually worked, and did stuff
[15:06] <fejj> sublime: heh, last thing I coded while drunk was a strobe light thing for my monitor
[15:06] <sublime> rofl
[15:06] <fejj> ;-)
[15:06] <Spock> LOL
[15:07] <Spock> fejj: Has it survived ?
[15:07] <fejj> my monitor? yea
[15:07] <Spock> cool
[15:07] <Spartaucs> Spock: no tume for skleep.n will vramr e wonam
[15:07] <fejj> I ran it on my roommate's monitor ;-)
[15:07] <sublime> rofl
[15:07] <Spock> LMAO
[15:08] <Spartaucs> Spock. dont laughe youir ass of, it might cvome in hanyd+
[15:08] <Spartaucs> .
[15:08] <Spartaucs> aya
[15:08] <Spartaucs> away
[15:08] <Spock> Spartaucs: What and how much you drank ?
[15:09] <sublime> Apparently some pretty good shit, and alot of it.
[15:09] <sublime> :P
[15:11] <Spock> Yeah
[15:13] <Spock> seen Mechanix
[15:13] <Yoda> Mechanix was last seen on IRC 26 days, 16 hours, 14 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying: Nite all... [Sun Oct 10 02:00:26 1999]
[15:13] <Spock> Uh
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[15:14] <Invis> mmm...... nummy gpm
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[15:15] <Invis> brb
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[15:16] <Spock> yo fo
[15:16] <Fo_Gish> hi spock
[15:16] <Spock> sup ?
[15:16] <Fo_Gish> not too much how are you?
[15:16] <Spock> well
[15:16] <Spock> got E 0.16.1 to work on mccoys system
[15:17] <Spock> It rules !
[15:17] <Fo_Gish> :)
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[15:18] <Spock> Invis: I see you !
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[15:18] <Invis> Spock: that's 'cuz you're vulcan....
[15:18] <Spock> Invis: LOL, ma be
[15:18] <Invis> :)
[15:18] <Invis> hmmm.... Lenolium actually AUTHORS spruce?
[15:19] <Spock> Invis: No fejj
[15:19] <Invis> oic...
[15:19] <Invis> hmmm...
[15:19] <Invis> fejj: I love you, man...
[15:19] <fejj> ;-)
[15:19] Action: khemicals is away: (dinner) [BX-MsgLog On]
[15:20] <Invis> fejj: nsmail sucks royal... uhm.... you know.... compared to spruce :)
[15:20] <sublime> hey fejj, send me the latest spruce snapshot
[15:20] <Spock> fejj: How long until I can sign a message ?
[15:20] <Invis> too bad I can't currently remember my e-mail password :(
[15:20] <fejj> sure
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[15:21] Action: Spock 's hdd fans are VERY dirty :(
[15:22] <fejj> Spock: hopefully soon
[15:22] <Spock> k, thx
[15:22] <needo> "The way a light attaches to a girl."
[15:22] <Spock> ?
[15:22] <Invis> fejj: btw, if you port it to windows, you'll soon find yourself on my death list :)
[15:22] <fejj> haha
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[15:28] <lamfada> does anyone have a win98 boot disk which they can dd and send me the file ?
[15:29] <lamfada> I am trying to check out vmware before my 30 days expires ...
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[15:31] <Invis> hmmmm...
[15:31] <Invis> nope, no win98....
[15:31] <mrOpie> no exim package? :/
[15:31] <Invis> sorry :(
[15:32] <lamfada> heh, I run no windows
[15:32] <Invis> me neither :(
[15:32] <Invis> er-
[15:32] <fejj> mrOpie: no cards yet :(
[15:32] <Invis> :)
[15:32] <Invis> that's not a :( thing
[15:32] <mrOpie> awwww :/
[15:32] <lamfada> no, its not
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[15:32] <lamfada> but I want to see if it will even run my games
[15:32] <Invis> yeah.... heh
[15:32] <Invis> hmnn.....
[15:33] <lamfada> The MS instructions for a machine with no OS:
[15:33] <mrOpie> fejj: I'm going to try and fnd the trackin #
[15:33] <fejj> ok
[15:33] <lamfada> from the DOS prompt, change to the cdrom drive
[15:33] <fejj> lol
[15:33] <lamfada> mrOpie: do you have a win98 boot disk which you can dd and send to me?
[15:33] <mrOpie> lamfada: not handy
[15:33] <lamfada> hmm
[15:34] <lamfada> I am trying to install win98 in vmware
[15:34] <fejj> does the win98 cd have a bootdisk directory?
[15:34] <Invis> fejj: in case it comes to that, you're not one of those evil people who hasn't grasped the concept of an uninstall script, are you?
[15:34] <lamfada> fejj: nope
[15:34] <fejj> argh
[15:34] <fejj> I have the cd
[15:35] Action: needo curses NEC
[15:35] <lamfada> well, I am borrowing a friends backup disk for this test
[15:35] <Invis> fejj: are you?
[15:35] <lamfada> if it works, I migt pay for it
[15:35] <fejj> Invis: no, there is no make uninstall I don't think
[15:35] <lamfada> but other than games, I can only think of Word
[15:35] <Invis> fejj: you suck :(
[15:35] <lamfada> and I like applix better
[15:35] <fejj> why?
[15:36] <Invis> fejj: 'cuz I like to make uninstall before I make install (for upgrading)
[15:36] <fejj> rm -f $PREFIX/bin/spruce
[15:36] <fejj> Invis: spruce is only 1 file
[15:36] <Invis> yay :)
[15:36] <Invis> well
[15:36] <Invis> it doesn't really matter :)
[15:36] <fejj> ok
[15:36] <fejj> I let automake make me a makefile
[15:36] <fejj> it's too complex to write one by hand now-a-days
[15:37] Nick change: spectre -> spectre|code
[15:37] <lamfada> gawd, these are the most useless install instructions
[15:37] <fejj> especially for cross-platform apps like spruce
[15:38] <fejj> (IRIX, *BSD, * Linux, Digital Unix, SCO, HP-UX, OS/2, etc)
[15:38] <fejj> spruce runs on em all
[15:38] <fejj> ;-)
[15:39] <fejj> mel and I actually coded it originally on Digital Unix and ported it over to Linux
[15:39] <fejj> so fear
[15:39] <fejj> ;-)
[15:40] <Invis> oic :)
[15:40] <fejj> of course...
[15:40] <fejj> the original version was console based
[15:40] <Invis> that makes good sense :)
[15:40] <Invis> icky
[15:40] <Invis> console is evil
[15:40] <fejj> heh
[15:40] <Invis> say, how can I tell if it's actually CHECKING my mail or not?
[15:41] <Invis> as in right/wrong password, etc.
[15:41] <fejj> it will say it had a problem with the passwd if there is one
[15:41] <Invis> hmm...
[15:41] <Invis> it doesn't appear to be saving my pop server settings.....
[15:41] <fejj> vi ~/.spruce/spruce.conf
[15:42] <fejj> there's a bug (that I fixed today) that solved that problem
[15:42] <fejj> er
[15:42] <Invis> oic :)
[15:42] <fejj> there was a bug, and I fixed it
[15:42] <Invis> thankies
[15:42] <fejj> in the latest cvs
[15:43] <Invis> what's meant by "mailbox"?
[15:43] <Invis> # List your pop3 servers here in the following format:
[15:43] <Invis> # pop3-server hostname:port:mailbox:login:passwd:del
[15:43] <Invis> pop3-server grandfunkhighway.com:110:
[15:43] <Invis> #
[15:43] <fejj> in spruce.conf?
[15:44] <Invis> what do I put after that?
[15:44] <fejj> oh
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[15:44] <Invis> well?
[15:44] <Invis> do I just put "mailbox"?
[15:45] <fejj> put the default mailbox to dump the mail in
[15:45] <Invis> k
[15:45] <Invis> so in this case "Inbox", right?
[15:45] <fejj> Inbox.mbx
[15:45] <fejj> for example
[15:46] <fejj> er, yea
[15:46] <fejj> don't put the .mbx
[15:46] <Invis> k
[15:46] <Invis> hmmmm...
[15:46] Action: needo shoots NEC.
[15:46] <Invis> I wish I could remember my password
[15:46] <fejj> "del" is whether you want it to delete the mail off the server or not
[15:46] <Invis> yeah, I figured that much out :)
[15:47] <fejj> ok ;-)
[15:47] <Invis> <== only half stupid
[15:47] <fejj> haha
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[15:48] <mrOpie> exim is very poorly documented
[15:48] <Invis> exim?
[15:48] <mrOpie> Invis : a mail server
[15:48] <Invis> oic
[15:49] Nick change: fejj -> fejj_away
[15:49] <Invis> hmmmmm....
[15:49] Nick change: Invis -> tired
[15:49] Nick change: tired -> tired_and_nappi
[15:49] <tired_and_nappi> god dammit
[15:49] <tired_and_nappi> let me change my god damn nickname
[15:49] <tired_and_nappi> stupid ircd
[15:50] <tired_and_nappi> bleh
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[15:50] <ChakaX> heh, ms officially sucks :>
[15:50] <ChakaX> http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudge.pdf
[15:50] Nick change: tired_and_nappi -> Invis-nap
[15:50] <Invis-nap> there we go
[15:50] <Invis-nap> anyway, 'nite :)
[15:50] <lamfada> night
[15:54] <needo> "I guess it would be nice if I could touch your body, I know not everybody has a body like me. But I gotta think twice before i give my heart away and I know all the games you play because I play them too. But I need some time off from that emotion time to pick my heart up from the floor."
[15:55] <lamfada> eww, George Michael, gross
[15:55] <needo> ?
[15:55] <lamfada> :)
[15:55] <needo> George Michael sings that?
[15:55] <needo> I have the Limp Bizkit version. =P
[15:55] <lamfada> I thought so ...
[15:55] <lamfada> ah
[15:55] <needo> I know he isnt the original one.
[15:56] Action: lamfada feels old
[15:56] <lamfada> I prefer to forget the eighties
[15:56] <needo> *laughs*
[15:57] <needo> Oh, well. Im outta here.
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[15:58] <lamfada> holy hell, the micorsfot trust case, the usvms.gpo.gov site is so overloaded!
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[16:04] <ChakaX> lamfada, there are mirrors now
[16:05] <lamfada> where?
[16:05] <ChakaX> usdoj.gov has pdf and wordperfect versions of the findings of fact
[16:05] <lamfada> thx
[16:05] <ChakaX> http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudge.pdf
[16:05] <ChakaX> ;>
[16:05] <ChakaX> they have linux listed as a "fringe OS"
[16:06] <Spock_coffee> he
[16:07] <ChakaX> I just found an html mirror...
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[16:11] <lamfada> ChakaX: where? netscape tries to open acroread, and I do not have it ...
[16:11] <ChakaX> ah, k, hang on
[16:12] <ChakaX> http://www.digithought.net/~colin/findfact.html
[16:12] <lamfada> thx
[16:12] <ChakaX> mirror it if poss, that mirror is getting alotta traffic too
[16:12] <lamfada> K
[16:12] <lamfada> its downloading
[16:12] <lamfada> done!
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[16:13] Action: misty waves
[16:13] <lamfada> hello misty
[16:13] <ChakaX> fact 412 is cool...
[16:13] <misty> meeting in an hour, eh?
[16:13] <lamfada> misty: do you have a win98 boot disk w/ cdrom (IDE) support that you can dd and send to me ?
[16:13] Action: Spock_coffee waves misty
[16:13] <lamfada> misty: I am trying to install win98 in vmware
[16:14] <ChakaX> Through its conduct toward Netscape, IBM, Compaq, Intel, and others, Microsoft has demonstrated that it will use its prodigious market power and immense profits to harm any firm that insists on
[16:14] <ChakaX> pursuing initiatives that could intensify competition against one of Microsoft's core products.
[16:14] Action: misty sips Spock's coffee
[16:14] <misty> I just had a killer nap
[16:14] <ChakaX> The ultimate result is that some innovations that would truly benefit consumers never occur for the sole reason that they do not coincide with Microsoft's self-interest.
[16:14] <lamfada> I love good naps
[16:14] <Spock_coffee> misty: Do as you like :)
[16:15] <misty> oh I love coffee
[16:15] <misty> american woman.... stay away from me...
[16:15] <lamfada> coffe was given to humans by the GODS
[16:15] <misty> is the law suit over yet?
[16:16] <ChakaX> the judge has published his findings of fact.. but they have not made any decesions as far as sentencing..
[16:16] <Spock_coffee> misty: McCoy will be here soon - she has E (1.16.1) runnin' now !
[16:16] <misty> they won't sentence m$
[16:16] <misty> Spock: yay!
[16:16] <ChakaX> but from what I've read, the judge is conviced that ms "enjoys" monopoly power
[16:16] <misty> I'm thinking of trying it again
[16:16] <Spock_coffee> misty: E ?
[16:16] <lamfada> misty: bitte, ein win98 boot diskette
[16:17] <misty> Spock: pre-0.90
[16:17] <Spock_coffee> misty: Yeah, I can help you ;)
[16:17] <misty> lamfada: ein moment
[16:17] <lamfada> E is the wm for people who like CONTROL over their desktops!
[16:17] <Spock_coffee> Yup
[16:17] <lamfada> misty: ich kaan auch hilfen
[16:17] <misty> ich kann ein disk machen
[16:17] <Spock_coffee> misty: Mach lieber eine Diskette ;)
[16:17] <lamfada> Spock_coffee: Ich will nur Spielen "Rainbow Six"
[16:18] <Spock_coffee> He he
[16:18] <misty> spock :P
[16:18] <lamfada> Spock_coffee: Sonst gibt's gar nichts
[16:18] <Spock_coffee> k
[16:18] <misty> ack meine mitbewohnerin ist auf dem computer :(
[16:19] <misty> ich kann nicht es machen
[16:19] <Spock_coffee> Auf deinem ?
[16:19] <misty> nein... uh....
[16:19] <misty> 'hers'
[16:19] <misty> <-- forgot
[16:19] <Spock_coffee> iherem
[16:19] <Spock_coffee> err
[16:19] <misty> ja :)
[16:19] <Spock_coffee> ihrem
[16:19] <Spock_coffee> Warum kannst du die Disc da nicht machen ?
[16:20] <misty> lamfada: vmware supports bootable cd's
[16:20] <misty> Spock: her computer is the one with win98
[16:20] <lamfada> misty: umm, its a backup of a friends ...
[16:20] <lamfada> I only have 30 days for vmware
[16:20] Action: misty raises an eyebrow
[16:20] <lamfada> and I think I have used 5 already
[16:20] <ChakaX> "From 1995 onward, Microsoft spent more than $100 million each year developing Internet Explorer"
[16:20] <ChakaX> and they give it away for free
[16:20] <lamfada> I only want to buy it if it works
[16:20] <misty> don't do anything illegal please :)
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[16:21] <lamfada> If it doesn't work, the waste of disk space is gone
[16:21] <misty> I'll make you one when I get to work
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[16:21] <lamfada> thx
[16:21] Action: Spock_coffee raises an eyeprow too
[16:21] <misty> :)
[16:21] <lamfada> *sigh*
[16:21] Action: misty lowers Spock's eyebrow
[16:21] <tybollt> Meating on?
[16:21] <lamfada> I have not had winders for over a year
[16:21] Action: Spock_coffee pats misty
[16:21] <tybollt> meting on?
[16:21] <Spock_coffee> Get ou' o' my face , bitch !
[16:21] <lamfada> I will not pay for something I will not use
[16:22] <misty> tybollt: not yet, it's only 4:22 their time
[16:22] <misty> 5:22
[16:22] <lamfada> heh, 4:20
[16:22] <misty> Spock ???????
[16:22] Action: lamfada hears the echos of bonghits from his youth
[16:22] <misty> you talking to me??
[16:22] <tybollt> misty: MST right now is what?
[16:22] <Spock_coffee> Yeah
[16:22] <misty> I'm a bitch now?
[16:22] <Spock_coffee> * misty lowers Spock's eyebrow
[16:22] <misty> tybollt: 5:23 I think
[16:22] <misty> oh
[16:23] <misty> lol
[16:23] <Spock_coffee> Get ou' o' my face , bitch !
[16:23] <Spock_coffee> :P
[16:23] <misty> don't call me a bitch :P
[16:23] <Spock_coffee> j/k
[16:23] <lamfada> misty: better watch it, he might ban you ;)
[16:23] <tybollt> misty: Meeting starts?
[16:23] <misty> cold day in hell, lamfada :)
[16:23] <lamfada> heh
[16:23] <Spock_coffee> LOL
[16:23] <misty> tybollt: in the /topic
[16:23] <lamfada> wasn't the Eighth Circle Ice
[16:23] <lamfada> ?
[16:24] <tybollt> misty: Well topic is currently heavily bloated. Tough to make _any_ sort of sence out of that. The punctuation sucks, actually ;)
[16:24] <lamfada> The UTC is wrong, too
[16:25] <tybollt> misty: Also the meeting was suposed to be at about 5 o clock originally, as told in the mailinglist.
[16:25] <tybollt> oh well =)
[16:25] <Spock_coffee> lamfada: What's wrong with it ?
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[16:25] <lamfada> Spock_coffee: off by 0:30 ?
[16:26] <Spock_coffee> lamfada: Don't understand
[16:26] <lamfada> Spock_coffee: what time is it there
[16:26] <Spock_coffee> lamfada: 1:24 am
[16:26] <lamfada> Spock_coffee: actually, more than 0:30
[16:27] <Spock_coffee> therefore the coffe
[16:27] <Spock_coffee> lamfada: What's the time at SLC ?
[16:27] <lamfada> OK, and GMT it is 00.24
[16:27] <Spock_coffee> lamfada: Yeah
[16:27] <lamfada> so it should be 01.30 UTC(GMT)
[16:27] <Spock_coffee> Yup
[16:28] <Spock_coffee> You're right
[16:28] <lamfada> unless it is an equation ....
[16:28] <lamfada> in which case, it should be UTC - 0600
[16:29] <Spock_coffee> lamfada: No no
[16:29] <Spock_coffee> lamfada: Now I see
[16:29] <Spock_coffee> lamfada: It's right
[16:29] <Spock_coffee> lamfada: It says : Devel Meeting at 18:30 Mountain Standard Time
[16:29] <lamfada> wait, no, yes it is
[16:29] <Spock_coffee> Which means GMT-07:00
[16:30] <lamfada> I miscounted, I _am_ at GMT - 0600
[16:30] <Spock_coffee> MST = GMT - 0700
[16:30] <Spock_coffee> k
[16:30] <Invis-nap> 9$/nick uhm....
[16:30] <Invis-nap> bleh
[16:30] <lamfada> I am used to CDT, which is GMT - 0500
[16:30] <Invis-nap> uhm.....
[16:30] <Invis-nap> you people are.... uhm..... weird
[16:30] <Spock_coffee> lamfada: CDT ?
[16:30] <Invis-nap> why does it matter?
[16:30] <lamfada> Central Daylight savings Time
[16:31] <Spock_coffee> ah, k
[16:31] <Spock_coffee> I'm at CET
[16:31] <lamfada> they move the clocks here "for the farmers"
[16:31] <Spock_coffee> Which is GMT + 0100
[16:31] <misty> I'm at EST
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[16:31] <sublime> hi
[16:31] <Invis-nap> <<=== PST
[16:31] Nick change: Invis-nap -> Invis
[16:31] <Spock_coffee> misty: Eastern Standard time ?
[16:32] <misty> good nap, invis? :)
[16:32] <Spock_coffee> Invis: PST ?
[16:32] <misty> Spock: ja
[16:32] Action: tybollt doesn't get it....
[16:32] <misty> SPock: pacific
[16:32] <Invis> Spock_coffee: Pacific Standard Time
[16:32] <Spock_coffee> k
[16:32] <Spock_coffee> thx
[16:32] <Invis> although I guess it's PDT right now..
[16:32] <sublime> <=-- PST
[16:32] <Invis> Pacific Daylight Savings Time
[16:32] <misty> invis: that ended
[16:32] <Spock_coffee> Ehrm, now I'm gettin confused :)
[16:32] <misty> last weekend
[16:32] <misty> change your clocks
[16:32] <misty> lol
[16:32] <Invis> misty: no, it just started :)
[16:33] <sublime> it just ended, invis.
[16:33] <misty> ssh, ssh, microsoft on radio
[16:33] <Invis> uhm.....
[16:33] <Invis> hmmmm....
[16:33] <sublime> PDT is in the summer time, so the days are longer
[16:33] <lamfada> You know, I was reading about the experiment where some researchers decided to be on a natural circadian cycle, which in humnas is 25 hours
[16:33] <Spock_coffee> misty: secure shell ?
[16:33] <sublime> you know where daylight savings time came from?
[16:33] <Invis> but the days AREN'T longer
[16:33] <misty> it will be at least a year till the lawsuit is resolved
[16:33] <Invis> sublime: yes, war time.....
[16:33] <misty> Invis: DST isn't just for the days to be longer
[16:34] <Invis> misty: they're not any longer at all....
[16:34] <sublime> Its so the farmers could get more time out of the days in the summer time, when it was warm, and they could work. :)
[16:34] <misty> besides it's winter unless you're in the southern hemisphere, days get shorter
[16:34] <Invis> misty: I know....
[16:34] <Invis> bleha
[16:34] <Invis> anyway
[16:34] <misty> lol
[16:34] Action: sublime sits next to misty.
[16:34] Action: misty changes Invis' clocks
[16:34] <misty> :) sublime
[16:34] <Invis> misty: they've been changed
[16:34] <misty> how are ya?
[16:34] <sublime> people are crazy.
[16:34] <Invis> :)
[16:34] <sublime> good, you?
[16:34] <lamfada> well, I must off
[16:34] <misty> bye lamfada :)
[16:34] <misty> I'm pretty good, Invis
[16:35] <lamfada> I gotta pick up the gf and then we eat
[16:35] <lamfada> Ciao
[16:35] <sublime> You must off? isn't that what speed stick is for?
[16:35] <Spock_coffee> L8R
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[16:35] <misty> eww
[16:35] <Invis> anyway, _MY_ understanding is that it changes in the winter so that the sun rises earlier.....
[16:35] Action: misty scoots a little away from sublime
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[16:35] <sublime> misty: no way, I wear my speed stick!
[16:35] <misty> haha
[16:35] <Spock_coffee> WTH is a speed stick ?
[16:35] <misty> Invis: standard time is in the winter, I promise
[16:35] <misty> Spock_coffee: deodorant
[16:35] <sublime> deoderant. :P
[16:36] <Invis> Spock_coffee: um......
[16:36] <Spock_coffee> Ah
[16:36] <misty> Invis: he is from germany
[16:36] <Invis> Spock_coffee: remind me to wear a nose plug if I ever meet you :)
[16:36] <misty> and not a native speaker of ENglish :) I'm sure he wears deodorant though
[16:36] <Invis> misty: oic :)
[16:36] <Spock_coffee> Yaeh
[16:36] <sublime> rofl
[16:36] <sublime> Those stinky europeans!
[16:36] <Invis> Spock_coffee: Ich ein
[16:36] <misty> Spock: what's it called in German?
[16:36] <Invis> yes, I'm aware that's incomplete :)
[16:37] <misty> you a
[16:37] <misty> lol
[16:37] <Invis> I can't remember how to say "Canadian" in German
[16:37] <misty> kanadisch
[16:37] <misty> ich bin ein kanadischer I think
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[16:37] <sublime> Howdy lux.
[16:37] <Invis> I _THINK_ it's iech bin ein.....
[16:37] <Invis> yeah.... heh
[16:37] <misty> hi skibum, am I in trouble?
[16:37] <skibum> lux: remember the sparc keyboard :)
[16:37] <skibum> misty: negative, why?
[16:37] <sublime> skibum
[16:37] <skibum> yo
[16:37] <misty> I will be when you check your email...
[16:37] <skibum> I read it
[16:38] <sublime> why are you talking to lux on irc, when you're sitting two feet away?
[16:38] <sublime> :P
[16:38] <Spock_coffee> ROFLMAO
[16:38] <misty> wow, I'm still not in trouble
[16:38] Action: misty sits back down :)
[16:38] <misty> I'd be interested to have a response
[16:38] <sublime> haha
[16:38] Action: Invis what kind of e-mail misty sent?
[16:38] <skibum> Actually, I'm about 6 miles away from lux right now.
[16:38] <skibum> :)
[16:38] <Invis> er-
[16:38] <sublime> ahha, thats why.
[16:38] Action: Invis wonders what kind of e-mail misty sent?
[16:38] <misty> so that is why I'm not in trouble?
[16:38] <Spock_coffee> Invis: n/m
[16:38] <misty> Invis: a personal one...
[16:38] <sublime> I want to be in trouble.
[16:38] <skibum> misty: nope
[16:38] <sublime> Can I be in trouble?
[16:38] <skibum> misty: I'm a nice person :P
[16:38] <sublime> can I can I can I?
[16:38] <sublime> :P
[16:38] <skibum> sublime: you're always in trouble!
[16:38] <misty> thanks
[16:39] <misty> me too
[16:39] <misty> :)
[16:39] <sublime> skibum: haha yeah!
[16:39] <Spock_coffee> sublime: YOU HAVE TROUBLE NOW !
[16:39] <Invis> misty: I see..... considering I'm obviously not gonna get any more details than that, I'll sit down and shut up now :)
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[16:39] <misty> lol lamfada
[16:39] <misty> Spock :P
[16:39] <misty> op abuse
[16:39] <misty> op abuse
[16:39] <misty> op abuse
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[16:39] <sublime> JERK.
[16:39] <sublime> :P
[16:39] <misty> hush
[16:39] <misty> :)
[16:39] <Spock_coffee> sublime: Enough trouble ?
[16:40] <sublime> yes.
[16:40] <sublime> I ment in trouble with skibum, not you.
[16:40] <Spock_coffee> sublime: j/k, ok ?
[16:40] <sublime> :P
[16:40] Action: misty watches sublime meekly sit down
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[16:40] <skibum> doh, enlightenment has 'issues'
[16:40] <Spock_coffee> issues ?
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[16:40] <skibum> I'm running DR15
[16:40] <sublime> Enlightenment has always had 'issues'
[16:40] <sublime> :P
[16:40] <Invis> skibum: such as what?
[16:41] <Invis> skibum: I'm running 16.1 with no problems at all...
[16:41] <Spock_coffee> skibum: What's DR15 ?
[16:41] <skibum> such as sometimes two X events happen at once, and then enlightement gets confused about who has the cursor
[16:41] <skibum> 15.0
[16:41] <sublime> rofl
[16:41] <Spock_coffee> skibum: Oh, old :(
[16:41] <skibum> So you have to kill the xserver and restart it :)
[16:41] <Spock_coffee> skibum: Wait for my packs :P
[16:41] <Invis> hmmmmmm......
[16:42] <Invis> I've never had it crash on me....
[16:42] <skibum> It's not enough to kill the two offending processes.
[16:42] <Invis> skibum: besides, all other WMs suck :)
[16:42] <skibum> lux: I got the transiever in the mail today.
[16:42] <Invis> well, other than twm :)
[16:42] <skibum> Invis: nuh uh!
[16:42] <skibum> Invis: blackbox is speedy.
[16:42] <Invis> but it's ugly
[16:42] <skibum> lux: We're cleared for takeoff on the sparc, if you bring that home.
[16:43] <skibum> Can I ask a favour?
[16:43] <skibum> Will you ask the sys admin if it's a sun4 keyboard?
[16:43] <skibum> (not a sun3 or a sun5)
[16:43] <skibum> fejjtable, you have a spot about spruce in tonight's meeting.
[16:44] <skibum> oh :(
[16:44] <skibum> Ah, we need a sun4 keyboard
[16:44] <ChakaX> bb is nice with the right theme
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[16:44] Nick change: Invis -> Invis-nap
[16:45] Action: skibum reminds everyone of the meeting in 45 minutes
[16:45] <Spock_coffee> Sleep well and Invis
[16:45] <Invis-nap> skibum: I'll be here :)
[16:45] <Spock_coffee> skibum: Noticed
[16:45] <misty> wake up invis!!
[16:46] <Spock_coffee> misty: Search him, if you find him wake him up ;P
[16:46] <Spock_coffee> But be aware : He's invis*ble
[16:46] <Spock_coffee> what is * ?
[16:47] Nick change: fejj_away -> fejj
[16:47] <Spock_coffee> wb fejj
[16:47] <fejj> yo
[16:48] <skibum> lux: yeah, so all we need is a sun4 keyboard
[16:48] <skibum> or some serial magic
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[16:49] <skibum> Is it a little one?
[16:49] <skibum> Like we've been talking about getting?
[16:49] <skibum> Hey, leno..
[16:49] <skibum> can I borrow a sun4 keyboard + mouse for a week?
[16:50] <skibum> Spock_coffee: I used your maillist.php3
[16:51] <Spock_coffee> skibum: yay, k
[16:51] <Spock_coffee> skibum: I'm lookin' it up
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[16:51] <misty> remind me why I hate windows :)
[16:52] <Spock_coffee> misty: Because it crashes your connection
[16:52] <HappyDed> skibum: you at home?
[16:52] <skibum> Si
[16:52] <Spock_coffee> skibum: Ohhh, now I see that two words are missing ...
[16:52] <HappyDed> misty: cuz it doesn't have sex with your mind? =)
[16:52] <HappyDed> skibum: wanna get that source now? =)
[16:53] <skibum> yeah
[16:53] <skibum> I do.
[16:53] <HappyDed> okay
[16:53] <HappyDed> cool
[16:53] <Spock_coffee> skibum: esp. if your system is connected TO A network. should it be ... sorry
[16:53] <HappyDed> hmm... FTP?
[16:53] Action: skibum whines about how small this monitor seems after using the 19" at work.
[16:53] <misty> HappyDed: that too :)
[16:53] <roguemtl> 40m until the meeting, eh?
[16:53] <misty> baby baby it looks like it's gonna hail
[16:53] <skibum> /dcc is good, HappyDed
[16:53] Action: misty looks around for Leno_Home
[16:54] <HappyDed> skibum: why not ftp? =)
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[16:54] <HappyDed> skibum: I say FTP is better
[16:54] <misty> heh, 'right here in #stampede' :)
[16:54] <HappyDed> ftp://24.2.195.113/pub/sl-gui/
[16:54] <skibum> HappyDed: Cause I have to type lots of stuff with ftp :P
[16:54] <HappyDed> have fun =)
[16:55] <Spock_coffee> skibum: spock = web group = change myself
[16:55] <skibum> ok
[16:55] Action: misty will be the boot disk queen if we're assigning positions :)
[16:55] <skibum> after I finish downloading this crap
[16:55] <skibum> misty: done, and done!
[16:55] <misty> woohoo!
[16:55] <Spock_coffee> skibum: k
[16:55] Action: misty dances around with a cd-rom crown on her head
[16:56] <sublime> misty == linux chick?
[16:56] <sublime> I'm in love.
[16:56] <Leno_Home> Yo.
[16:56] <sublime> :P
[16:56] <misty> sublime: my alternate nick is LinChiq ;) (and daemoness)
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[16:56] <misty> Lenolium I wanted to swing with you
[16:56] Nick change: Leno_Home -> Lenolium
[16:56] <misty> but the song is over :(
[16:56] <sublime> Misty: will you marry me?
[16:56] <sublime> :P
[16:56] <misty> sublime: no :)
[16:56] <sublime> darn.
[16:56] <sublime> Maybe some other time?
[16:56] <sublime> :P
[16:56] <misty> maybe when you're older.. heh
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[16:57] <sublime> I'm not _that_ young.
[16:57] <sublime> :P
[16:57] <sublime> I'm going to be an old man soon :(
[16:57] <ChakaX> haha.. the judge scanned his signature...
[16:57] <misty> Chaka: that rocks
[16:57] <Lenolium> misty: Sorry, I have yet to perfect the SCP/IP (Swing Control Protocol) stack.
[16:57] Action: misty proposes a toast to technology
[16:57] Action: Spock_coffee feels bad talking to a person which will be in grave soon
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[16:57] <misty> hehehehe Lenolium :)
[16:57] <misty> McCoy!
[16:57] <needo> Hey guys
[16:58] <McCoy> yo
[16:58] <Spock_coffee> Hey McCoy
[16:58] <McCoy> hey
[16:58] <McCoy> bin ich drin ?
[16:58] <ChakaX> "Stayed home sick" --Tom Jackson
[16:58] Action: misty goes to make lamfada that disk
[16:58] <Spock_coffee> LOL
[16:58] <misty> mein :)
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[16:58] <Spock_coffee> misty: mein ?
[16:58] <misty> es beginnt ganz 40 minuten
[16:58] <misty> s/mein/nein :)
[16:58] <misty> TheProteus :)
[16:58] <skibum> Lenolium: can I borrow a sun4 keyboard + mouse for a week?
[16:58] <TheProteus> misty :)
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[16:59] <Lenolium> skibum: Sure.
[16:59] <Spock_coffee> misty: No she was refering to a comercial we have in germany
[16:59] <Lenolium> skibum: as long as you bring your moniter up when you come to pick them, so I can test my IPC
[16:59] <sublime> you're in germany, misty?
[16:59] <Spock_coffee> misty: Boris Becker (tennis player) is in it and says that while tryin' to use AOL
[16:59] <TheProteus> lux: Hey hey! How goes?
[16:59] <skibum> Lenolium: great, thanks .. can i come pick it up after the meeting?
[16:59] <Lenolium> skibum: If I'm still here.
[16:59] <Spock_coffee> sublime: No, but she speaks german well
[16:59] <TheProteus> lux: Yum. :-) I'm ready to find work. :-)
[17:00] <TheProteus> lux: WHAT!? Oh, I *love* convergys... NOT.
[17:00] <TheProteus> lux: Hell no, SLC. :-) I finally decided (if this other job offer falls through) to move back home.
[17:01] <TheProteus> lux: Whenever I find a job that pays me what my base requirements are, and doesn't work me into oblivion.
[17:01] <misty> Spock: ahh
[17:01] <misty> sublime: no :)
[17:01] <skibum> TheProteus: you used to live in SLC??
[17:01] <TheProteus> lux: I have one thing to say: alt.jobs.consulting.networks.big
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[17:02] <TheProteus> skibum: Yep. Most everyone in here knows that. ;-)
[17:02] <skibum> I didn't.
[17:02] <TheProteus> skibum: Grew up in that town. :-)
[17:02] <skibum> Where did you live?
[17:02] <TheProteus> skibum: Torture^H^H^H^H^H^H^HTaylorsville
[17:02] <skibum> haha
[17:03] <TheProteus> *smile*
[17:03] <skibum> How old are you?
[17:03] <TheProteus> Hey, I'm a proud graduate of the 1993 class from Tortureville Hellschool. :-)
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[17:03] <TheProteus> Me? just barely turned 24.
[17:03] Action: lux watches skibum grill prot
[17:04] <TheProteus> Heh.
[17:04] Action: TheProteus puts on his bar-b-que proof suit (armani, too! *wink*)
[17:04] <skibum> When did you move to denver?
[17:04] Action: misty passes bagel bites around to the channel
[17:04] <misty> Hors d'ouvres anyone? :)
[17:05] <discobob> mmmm, bagel
[17:05] <Spock_coffee> Yoooo, me !
[17:05] <McCoy> and me
[17:05] <Spock_coffee> misty: Make broadcast :)
[17:05] <TheProteus> skibum: About 4-6 months ago.
[17:05] Action: misty sets the plate down for all to access :)
[17:05] <skibum> TheProteus: how come? :)
[17:05] <Spock_coffee> THX
[17:05] <McCoy> misty: thx
[17:05] <skibum> OMG
[17:05] <Spock_coffee> *mampf*
[17:05] <skibum> It's a simpson's I've never seen.
[17:06] <misty> lol
[17:06] <TheProteus> skibum: Many reasons. :-) Shall I list them all, or just list like the top 5?
[17:06] <Spock_coffee> skibum: Is the devel meeting canceled therefore ?
[17:06] <skibum> top 5
[17:06] <skibum> Simpson's ends when devel meeting starts.
[17:06] <Spock_coffee> LOL
[17:07] <TheProteus> 1. Environment. I don't have anything against mormons, but being 23, single, and in utah guarantees you'll either move or be single IMO.
[17:07] <Spock_coffee> skibum: I wanna have you're porblems - really !
[17:07] <Lenolium> Due to development time pressures and the absolute uselessness of IDE devices in a high-performance database environment , development was concentrated on the SCSI subsystem (which supports both SCSI and FibreChannel devices).
[17:07] <Lenolium> Yay, SGI Raw DISK I/O patches are OUT!
[17:07] <TheProteus> 2. Opportunity. I had to fight to get a decent admin job paying $40K a year in SLC, and within 3 weeks, I was making double out here.
[17:08] <TheProteus> 3. Climate... Colorado is MUCH more liberal.
[17:08] <skibum> where in colorado do you live?
[17:08] <TheProteus> 4. A new start - I had been a smartass, being more than apt to tell everyone my opinions, how right I was, and how everyone should listen to me without looking at a) how much they were laughing, b) how little work was getting done, and c) how many bridges I had burned.
[17:09] <TheProteus> and 5) It's just a new thang. :-)
[17:09] <skibum> ok
[17:09] <skibum> =]
[17:09] <needo> TheProteus: Where in Colorado?
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[17:09] <TheProteus> skibum: Right in the heart of Denver.
[17:10] <needo> TheProteus: Been there, my family all lives around that area.
[17:10] <skibum> HAhahah
[17:10] <disq> lala ppl :)
[17:10] <TheProteus> needo: Cool. :-)
[17:10] <skibum> I've seriously never seen this before.
[17:10] <needo> TheProteus: Grandmother lives in Golden.
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[17:10] <TheProteus> skibum: So, that's why I moved out here. But what's amazing is now people are *asking* me to come back to SLC now that I've pulled my head out.
[17:10] <disq> well, any sql gurus here? :)
[17:10] <TheProteus> needo: Killer. :-) I'm not living here much longer. :-)
[17:11] <skibum> This episode of the simpsons.
[17:11] <misty> disq: not yet :)
[17:11] <skibum> I don't know.
[17:11] <Spock_coffee> skibum: I wanna have you're problems - really !
[17:11] <skibum> Marge is going oout on the town.
[17:11] <skibum> Spock_coffee: hehe :P
[17:11] <sublime> Intelschmentel.
[17:11] <Spock_coffee> s/you're/your
[17:12] <Lenolium> bbs
[17:12] <disq> misty: well.. i have to GROUP rows by a function.. but ie. GROUP BY MONTH(ourtime) just does not work..
[17:13] <disq> misty: any ways to do it? what happens if i use HAVING?
[17:13] <disq> misty: hehe :P
[17:13] <TheProteus> lux: So, whatcha been up to lately?
[17:14] Action: sublime backs up his data.
[17:14] <TheProteus> lux: at least you have the "and stuff" part. :-)
[17:14] <misty> disq: what type of field is 'function'?
[17:14] <misty> oh oh
[17:14] <misty> you can't group them by month
[17:14] <misty> you need a month table, with month ID and month
[17:14] <skibum> Oh, I've seen the second half of it.
[17:14] <misty> use month ID in the table where you need to group by it
[17:15] <TheProteus> lux: *lol* Well, since I got here, I've been just doing work.
[17:15] <disq> misty: shit.. that sux bigtime
[17:15] <misty> disq: did that make sense?
[17:15] <misty> disq: no it doesn't
[17:15] <misty> do a slew of update statements
[17:15] <misty> find all the january's and change the contents of the field to '1', etc
[17:15] <disq> hmmm..
[17:16] <misty> disq: think 3NF :)
[17:16] <TheProteus> lux: Dunver, eh? :-) I love the city... It's just a bit hectic for me right now.
[17:16] <disq> a temp field.. and group by tmp.. hmm.. good idea indeed.. :)
[17:16] <TheProteus> lux: And I've got my reasons for moving back. :-
[17:16] Nick change: mrOpie_wOrk -> mrOpie
[17:16] <misty> disq: :)
[17:17] <misty> you should draw out your database on paper before you start, you would've caught the month thing at the beginning that way :)
[17:17] <misty> mrOpie!
[17:17] <mrOpie> am I still in the dog house?
[17:17] <skibum> misty: wow.
[17:17] <skibum> misty: SQL expert and all :)
[17:17] <misty> skibum: ?
[17:17] <misty> lol
[17:17] <needo> TheProteus: Are you moving back to Denver, or back to SLC?
[17:17] <misty> nah, just normalization expert :)
[17:17] <skibum> "It's a ghost car!"
[17:17] <misty> I don't even know how to form the statements yet ;)
[17:18] <TheProteus> needo: Grew up in SLC, living in Denver currently, and moving back to SLC at my earliest convenience.
[17:18] <skibum> misty: normalization rules.
[17:18] <needo> Why?
[17:18] <TheProteus> lux: *smile* Funny. :-)
[17:18] <needo> Yeah, really. Who is she?
[17:18] <misty> skibum: yup
[17:20] <HappyDed> yay! devel meeting soon! =)
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[17:20] <TheProteus> Her name is stability... either that, or bandwidth... can't keep the two apart. *smile*
[17:21] <Spock_coffee> skibum: K, we'll be there ;)
[17:21] <misty> heh, stampede.c
[17:21] <needo> skibum: You remember Gerwain?
[17:21] <misty> where is mechanix lately?
[17:21] <skibum> "I'm sorry I tried to make gravy in the bathtub"
[17:22] <skibum> needo: yeah
[17:22] <needo> skibum: I live like 10 minutes from him now, but still havent met him. =)
[17:22] <skibum> =]
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[17:22] <Skate111> what happened in the microsoft case?
[17:22] <khemicals> they lost :)
[17:23] <TheProteus> Zhaneel!
[17:23] <Skate111> really?!?
[17:23] <Skate111> wow
[17:23] <needo> Skate111: Judge ruled them a monopoly.
[17:23] <khemicals> yup
[17:23] <misty> Skate111 the judge ruled that there was monopolistic intent
[17:23] <Zhaneel> Hey Proteus =]
[17:23] <misty> but there hasn't been a settlement yet
[17:23] <Skate111> yea!
[17:23] <TheProteus> It's just a finding, not a verdict.
[17:23] <Skate111> =/
[17:23] <skibum> needo: why not!
[17:23] <skibum> :P
[17:23] Action: Skate111 wonders whats gonna happen
[17:23] <khemicals> right, and now it is time for "appeal time"
[17:23] <misty> the verdict will be ~ 1 year
[17:23] Action: fejj is back
[17:23] <Skate111> i'm sure
[17:23] <Skate111> they are a monopoly though
[17:24] <khemicals> so in other words... it means nothing for about abnother 2 trials
[17:24] <skibum> fejjie: you have a spot in the meeting :)
[17:24] <misty> fejjfejjfejjfejjfejj
[17:24] <fejj> oo ooo
[17:24] <fejj> what in?
[17:24] <sublime> fejj! :P
[17:24] <misty> fejjie, I'm the boot disk queen now
[17:24] Action: misty points at her cd-rom crown
[17:24] <fejj> misty :)
[17:24] <fejj> haha
[17:24] <Skate111> what has microsoft inovated?
[17:24] <HappyDed> EVERYTHING
[17:24] <fejj> Skate111: VB?
[17:24] <TheProteus> Skate111: the polite use of a billy club? :-)
[17:24] <HappyDed> Bill Gates is god!
[17:24] <HappyDed> =)
[17:24] <Skate111> definately
[17:24] Action: misty checks HappyDed's temperature
[17:24] <Skate111> haha
[17:25] <Spock_coffee> JOKE: Microsoft makes good products.
[17:25] <Skate111> they make things worse, not improve them.
[17:25] <TheProteus> Spock_coffee: No, that is a sure sign that your reality check bounces, not a joke. :-)
[17:25] <misty> I have to leave at quarter to 9
[17:25] <Skate111> i started writing windows 2000 myths but i really shouldn't w/o using it
[17:25] <misty> 15 minutes after the meeting starts
[17:25] <misty> but then I'll be back when I get to work
[17:25] <Spock_coffee> TheProteus: He he
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[17:26] <HappyDed> hehehe
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[17:26] <TheProteus> Wow... watch the operators fall.
[17:26] <HappyDed> I need +o =)
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[17:26] <fejj> heh
[17:26] <misty> do it do it
[17:26] <HappyDed> since I'm OF COURSE the most important devel! =)
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[17:26] <HappyDed> de-op yourself!
[17:26] Action: lux dances
[17:27] <misty> c'mon skibum :)
[17:27] <needo> skibum is the only one who gets ops during devel meetings
[17:27] <skibum> yes :)
[17:27] Action: needo looks at all the newbies.
[17:27] <HappyDed> no!
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[17:27] Action: HappyDed starts dancing and chanting!
[17:27] <HappyDed> "no ops!"
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[17:27] <needo> That way he can set it +m and moderate it.
[17:27] <needo> If it gets out of control.
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[17:27] <fejj> gabe: I just got an email from some guy on earthlink
[17:27] <misty> yay :)
[17:27] <HappyDed> hahaha!
[17:27] Action: needo remembers the good old days. =)
[17:27] <HappyDed> LOL
[17:27] <gabe> and?
[17:27] <skibum> uhm
[17:27] <fejj> he says it works wonderfully for him?
[17:27] <ChakaX> lol
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[17:28] <misty> rotfl
[17:28] <gabe> and miracuslously woke up 2 minutes ago
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[17:28] <gabe> That was a quick minute
[17:28] <gabe> heh
[17:28] <skibum> Somebody go wake up invis
[17:28] <skibum> :)
[17:28] Action: Skate111 listens to the meeting
[17:28] <misty> INVIS!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!
[17:28] <Spock_coffee> skibum: I can't find him !
[17:28] <TheProteus> Alright... I'm audi for the evening. I'll tty all later. Night lux, misty, skibum, everyone. :-)
[17:28] <misty> <-- acting like she's from brazil :)
[17:28] <misty> night TheProteus :)
[17:28] <skibum> night
[17:28] <Spock_coffee> skibum: Why did you kick me ?
[17:28] Action: gabe wonders is Skate111 is uisng a screen reader or if he's just "special"
[17:28] <Skate111> misty: lmfao
[17:29] Action: TheProteus poofs into oblivion.
[17:29] <skibum> Spock_coffee: oops, didn't mean to :(
[17:29] <skibum> sorry
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[17:29] <skibum> Spartaucs: meant to remove your ops
[17:29] <Spock_coffee> skibum: OK
[17:29] <Skate111> i'm special =)
[17:29] <HappyDed> +v all the devels and ESPECIALLY the FAQ guy =)
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[17:29] <misty> yeah he rode the sort bus.....
[17:29] <misty> s/sort/short
[17:29] <misty> :)
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[17:29] <needo> gabe: Dude, dont make fun of blind people.
[17:30] <misty> hi metalac :)
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[17:30] <misty> poptart
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[17:30] <misty> it's time it's time
[17:30] <skibum> 'Lets get ready rummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmble'
[17:30] <misty> where the heck is mino?
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[17:30] <HappyDed> okay, I'm ready =)
[17:31] <skibum> Actually, one sec.
[17:31] <skibum> I'm going to call mino
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[17:31] <HappyDed> First topic! Someone asked me for an ISO and lamfada sent me a nice one. It's .89. Is there a possibilty of getting an ISO up on stampede.org? I think it's quite useful.
[17:32] <skibum> No answer at mino's place, let's go.
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[17:32] <skibum> I'll address Happy's comment in a bit.
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[17:32] <skibum> First on the agenda
[17:33] <skibum> Jake (roguemtl) will talk about the current status of SLAB
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[17:33] <skibum> We will have discussion / comments after his initial statements.
[17:33] <roguemtl> SLAB: Slab is a Linux AutoBuilder; This project has been under development for the last year (or so)
[17:34] <roguemtl> and is now at a point where it is reaching 'stable' state. I expect that a 'stable' SLAB tree will be available by the end of the year, including all previously requested feature enhancements.
[17:34] <roguemtl> SLAB is the autobuild facility used to build the Stampede Linux distribution, starting with 0.90
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[17:35] <roguemtl> The 'findtreech' and 'pff' utilities used to create some of the config files used by SLAB are also in a state of upgrade and are now part of the SLAB suite ... updates will be done across the board in the future.
[17:36] <skibum> Ok, we'll open the floor for comments / questions / whatever
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[17:36] <misty> will SLAB build from .src.slp or from .tar.gz ?
[17:37] <skibum> I'd like to mention that for 99% of 0.90, SLAB in it's current form is sufficient
[17:37] <skibum> slab currently builds from a series of files
[17:37] <skibum> a unified makefile,
[17:37] <roguemtl> misty: at this time, there is no standard for .src.slp's; SLAB uses a set of config files, patches and _ORIGINAL_ source archives to build packages
[17:37] <skibum> a package.conf file
[17:38] <misty> roguemtl: so it's like freebsd ports rather than like dselect in this way, right?
[17:38] <HappyDed> does slab build directly into an slp?
[17:38] <HappyDed> ignore last comment
[17:38] <roguemtl> HappyDed: SLAB performs the entire build process, from source archives to a final .slp
[17:38] <Spock_coffee> OK. say I build GNOME for SLAB
[17:39] <Spock_coffee> Would it be preffered that there are many .slp 's or not
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[17:39] <HappyDed> SLAB is a developer tool, then? or could it also be for endusers that could simply slab foo.src.slp && slpi foo.slp?
[17:39] <roguemtl> misty: SLAB is a bit less intrusive than ports; SLAB is more of a wrapper for all existing package sources rather than a means of handling all package sources
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[17:39] <DrFrog> yahoo
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[17:39] <misty> roguemtl: are things planned for it like automatic download and build of dependencies?
[17:39] <gabe> Spock_coffee: each source package should be compiled into an slp.
[17:39] <roguemtl> HappyDed: at this time, SLAB is designed for developers; some work has been done with an end-user target -- such additions will be done after SLAB is 'stable'
[17:39] <mrOpie> ooh a meeting :)
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[17:40] <roguemtl> misty: the curent set of patches/enhancements include autodownload and build dependencies.
[17:40] <misty> thanks, no more questions, your honor :)
[17:40] <Iced> what the current status of stampede .90 as ftp hasn't been updated for months
[17:40] <HappyDed> current topic is SLAB
[17:40] <gabe> icd: we're talking about SLAB now.
[17:40] <Spock_coffee> I mean: Shall there be a xchat.slp and a gnumeric or a apps.slp ?
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[17:41] <roguemtl> Spock: all 0.90 packages are designed to be built _FROM SOURCE_ on a reference machine
[17:41] <mrOpie> oye?
[17:41] <gabe> Spock_coffee: see my response
[17:41] <DrFrog> i think stampede users are very thoughough, i think they want perfection, and are willing to wait fer it
[17:41] <roguemtl> Spock: such is the design of 0.90
[17:41] <mrOpie> roguemtl: only the official stampede build machine?
[17:41] <HappyDed> roguemtl: a reference machine being?
[17:41] Nick change: Spock_coffee -> Spock
[17:42] <Spock> roguemtl: OK, but that's not the point
[17:42] <roguemtl> HappyDed: a machine which is 'fresh' loaded with the current tree load or an SBE and is used to generate all packages in the dist for that platform
[17:42] <HappyDed> roguemtl: I see... is there a "reference machine" that is an official SLF machine?
[17:43] <needo> roguemtl: Define SBE for everyone.
[17:43] <roguemtl> mrOpie: for purpose of package security and cleanliness, a reference machine for each major port helps to limit the number of hands in the final build process; while there may be many package contributers working in the source tree, there is only a small group of people doing the final package build ...
[17:43] <Spock> roguemtl: I meant do we wanna have 100 files which makes the user able to decide what he wants or do we wanne have 10 files to make download easier ?
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[17:43] <skibum> iced' I'll add that to the list adgenda, ok?
[17:43] Nick change: ChakaX -> Chaka_gtk
[17:43] <roguemtl> SBE: Static Build Environment; a set of development and basic binaries which have been statically linked -- a SBE tree has _no shared libraries_ ... so is ideal for "building the entire dist from scratch" or bootstrapping on a new port
[17:44] <mrOpie> roguemtl: will we see an apt type utility for stampede? (soon?)
[17:44] <gabe> Spock: every source package will be built into its respective .slp form
[17:44] <skibum> mrOpie: enthusiastic yes :)
[17:44] <fejj> heh
[17:44] <mrOpie> hehe
[17:44] <gabe> Spock: which means that gnome will be distributed as a number of separate packages.
[17:44] <Spock> gabe: OK, so we make about 30 Files for GNOME ...
[17:44] <roguemtl> If I've missed any questions, please msg me now and I'll be glad to address them on-channel
[17:44] <HappyDed> okay, let's rephrase that... who's working on the apt-like utility? =)
[17:44] <gabe> Spock: that's the way everyone does it.
[17:44] <Spock> OK
[17:45] <Skate111> HappyDed: great question... who is working on the "apt" like utility?
[17:45] <DrFrog> DrFrog twists up a vancouver special
[17:45] <gabe> The point is not to combine things because there are people out there who may not want a part of gnome.
[17:45] <tybollt_shagwell> In what way is SLP being "promoted" throughout the comunity? Is there _any_ interaction beoing done with Redhat and Debian developers?
[17:45] <skibum> I was working on an apt like utility approximatly 1 year ago.
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[17:46] <Skate111> i would like to work on a apt like utility
[17:46] <roguemtl> One more note regarding SLAB: Included in the 'stable' release will be full documentation. This should ease the burden of learning the system (though it is extremely easy to pick up, documentation can always help)
[17:46] <skibum> It is currently about 60% done
[17:46] <Skate111> i see
[17:46] <Chaka_gtk> lol
[17:46] <disq> cool
[17:46] <skibum> I got it about 60% done in two hours, and then didn't touch it for a year.
[17:46] <Skate111> skibum: on CVS?
[17:46] <DrFrog> geezus dont answer yer mail all day and look what happens
[17:47] <skibum> Nope, I can add it to CVS though.
[17:47] <Chaka_gtk> KY jelly is Y2K compatible... it allows you to insert two extra digits into your date.
[17:47] <Skate111> skibum: please do =)
[17:47] <skibum> Ok, any more on SLAB?
[17:47] <khemicals> tybollt: before much would be done as far as promoting it, i think there will be much more development on it as the SLP format is in development
[17:47] <gabe> Can we please not have anyone making comments unrelated to the agenda at hand?
[17:47] <skibum> going ...
[17:47] <Spock> No more SLAB Qs
[17:48] <skibum> Ok
[17:48] <fejj> perhaps the chan should remain +m and questions be directed toward the person in a /msg?
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[17:48] <skibum> Next on the agenda is gabe ...
[17:48] <skibum> I'll let him explain
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[17:48] <gabe> Ok, this just kinda popped u[p when we were discussing packages...
[17:49] <gabe> I'd like to propose that, at some future date, we begin to split packages into the actual software package and -devel packages.
[17:49] <gabe> The -devel packages would include all the headers and static libs necessary to do development using that software.
[17:50] <gabe> Some people may not want to install those things when they install their system and it can end up saving a lot of disk space for users who do not wish to do any development work.
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[17:50] <gabe> Several other distributions have been doing this a long time and I really don't see anyt reason against it.
[17:50] <gabe> So...
[17:51] <gabe> Uhm... I'm done talking, heh.
[17:51] <skibum> questions / comments / suggestions / ?
[17:51] <gabe> Questions?
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[17:51] <Skate111> but then theres people like me, who hate having to download 4 things of one lib just to compile 1 thing
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[17:51] <mrOpie> good idea gabe
[17:51] <roguemtl> I am firmly against this scheme of packaging
[17:51] <mrOpie> oh?
[17:51] <gabe> Why jake?
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[17:51] <disq> well, good idea, but that will make things more complicated for SLAB
[17:51] <roguemtl> IMHO, there is one significant problem:
[17:52] <skibum> I am against this as well
[17:52] <roguemtl> This cannot easily be handled by any automated package building system
[17:52] <Spock> rogue is right
[17:52] <skibum> Say you've been running stampede version xx for 3 years ..
[17:52] <roguemtl> it also deviates from the naming scheme we use now -- use the author's ORIGINAL package names
[17:52] <skibum> All of a sudden ..
[17:52] <skibum> you need libbob.a and bob.h to compile something
[17:52] <roguemtl> IMHO, the right way to address this issue is as follows:
[17:52] <gabe> all we'd be doing is adding a -devel
[17:52] <skibum> You can't find the -devel package anywhere, as the dist is 3 years old ..
[17:53] <roguemtl> With the release of SLPv6, the capability can be added to provide 'groupings' within a package
[17:53] <skibum> You're "up a creek"
[17:53] <gabe> All that slab would need to do is to accomodate a second manifest file, and build a second package, right?
[17:53] <roguemtl> such that "these files" are libraries and "these files" are executables and "these files" are documentation
[17:53] <Skate111> i find it annoying to have to download 2 files for one package
[17:53] <roguemtl> gabe: one moment
[17:53] <skibum> roguemtl, couldn't we have a package-manifest, and package-manifest-devel? (just playing devil's advocate)
[17:53] <gabe> Matt, uhm.... why would you use a three year old dist?
[17:53] <skibum> gabe: I have slackware 2.2 running on a few boxes
[17:53] <skibum> They work, no need to update.
[17:53] <tybollt> SLPv6 btw resembles IPv6 to the point it's silly, namechange?
[17:53] <roguemtl> SLAB is moving in the direction of _full_ automation, based on numerous requests
[17:54] <needo> Agreed, in Debian to compile you have to have a gtk package and a gtk-devel package.
[17:54] <skibum> I've installed many servers running old things, that have never been updated.
[17:54] <roguemtl> SLAB will eventually build packages _without_ static manifest files.
[17:54] <Skate111> in Debian, you have to get 6 things just to get everything working, and thats the one downfall to the reason i like stampede
[17:54] <Skate111> and don't like debian
[17:54] <skibum> I agree with Skate111
[17:54] <mrOpie> Skate111: I like it because you don't necessarily need all 6 things
[17:54] <gabe> Jake, and then all it has to do is move any lib.a and header.h file into a separate package it is NOT that hard.
[17:54] <skibum> Allthough I do like debian in some instances
[17:54] <mrOpie> Skate111: if you dont' want docs you don't download
[17:55] <Spock> I'm against this because this pack scheeme confuses the average user.
[17:55] <skibum> gabe: how about:
[17:55] <Skate111> mrOpie: i like that, but its just not practical for me
[17:55] <mrOpie> Skate111: and if you do, dselect or apt or whatever will handle getting the requried stuff for you
[17:55] <skibum> find . -name \*.a -exec rm {} \;
[17:55] <skibum> find . -name \*.h -exec rm {} \;
[17:55] <roguemtl> So my recommendation for this issue is this: within SLPv6, use package groupings to delineate the file types within the package and, using SLPv6 tools, provide the end-user with a mechanism to specify "don't install documentation"
[17:55] <roguemtl> or such.
[17:55] <mrOpie> ooh
[17:55] <mrOpie> that'd be cool
[17:55] <mrOpie> full package, but install what you want
[17:55] <roguemtl> gabe: keep in mind that some packages use header files for other purposes
[17:55] <skibum> So, in a matter of speaking, it will be possible to not install -devel stuff.
[17:55] <Skate111> apt does not get everything, if it doesn't need everyyhing... i had to get imlib-progs after getting like imlib-devel and imlib1 just to compile one thing
[17:55] <mrOpie> slpi --nodocs --nolibs packagename.slp
[17:56] <HappyDed> roguemtl: that sounds like a bon idee =)
[17:56] <gabe> Jake: that is the wrong way to fix it.
[17:56] <Skate111> mrOpie: that sounds better
[17:56] <roguemtl> gabe: let me back up and ask you a question on this
[17:56] <gabe> Then some people who STILL DOWNLOAD Stampede will have to download all the extra garbage they don't want and remove it later.
[17:56] <roguemtl> gabe: which package gets the _documentation_ for the package?
[17:56] <gabe> This way we give people the CHOICE ahead of time.
[17:56] <mrOpie> roguemtl: the binary pacakge
[17:56] <gabe> the binary
[17:56] <Skate111> but it inconveniences some pople
[17:56] <Skate111> people
[17:56] <Spock> gabe: Not every user is able to decide if he needs that or that ...
[17:56] <roguemtl> mrOpie: and if the documentation is developer documentation?
[17:57] <gabe> You'd have to install that to use the devel stuff anyways.
[17:57] <mrOpie> roguemtl: split it by the type of documentation :)
[17:57] <roguemtl> mrOpie: like I said, SLAB is moving toward full automation (removal of the need for manifest files)
[17:57] <tybollt> With all these nice automation features beaing added in 0.90, I will still have to install a clean 0.90 to get the automation to work, right? After Iäve installed 0.90 I can begin the CVS features?
[17:57] <Skate111> you can take out doc.. i don't use them often but not -devel.....
[17:58] <gabe> If need be I will write a patch for SLAB later on that will do this. If you don't want to do it that's fine, but that's opinion based. Why don't I go and research how many distributions are doing things this way and tallk to them about the advantages they see in it?
[17:58] <roguemtl> gabe: there is a reason that we have not done this traditionally.
[17:58] <roguemtl> gabe: it increases the number of binary packages related to a source package
[17:59] <Skate111> gabe: ok... i guess but stealing and doing stuff because other distros does, is... i don't find that somethign i would do i guess
[17:59] <gabe> What's the problem with that?
[17:59] <roguemtl> gabe: at a previous devel meeting, that very issue was discussed in terms of "single package" vs. "client and server packages"
[17:59] <gabe> Skate111: it's proven to be useful by other distributions who have been around for YEARS longer than us.
[17:59] <skibum> All the other distributions (with 1 exception) compile things with -O2, does that mean we should?
[17:59] <mrOpie> roguemtl: so you're saying we shouldn't have client/server packages?
[17:59] <Skate111> skibum: good point =0
[18:00] <roguemtl> mrOpie: the size benefit does not appear to be as valid an argument
[18:00] <mrOpie> roguemtl: I don't need mysqld, however I do need mysql (on my home computer)...
[18:00] <skibum> I believe we should have client / server packages ...
[18:00] <gabe> I'm not saying we hop on the bandwagon just for the heck of it. It makes sense to do it this way so that people don't have things installed that they don't need.
[18:00] <mrOpie> skibum: I agree
[18:00] <roguemtl> mrOpie: that wasn't the argument I was making
[18:00] <gabe> They whole point behind Stampede is optimization and the lack of bloat.
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[18:00] <gabe> If you DONT do development work, then extra development files you DONT need is considered BLOAT.
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[18:00] <Skate111> most people using stampede now do develop
[18:00] <HappyDed> I think that this idea should be considered, certainly
[18:00] <gabe> Someone kick ban Iced or something...
[18:01] <skibum> Stampede is touted as a development platform.
[18:01] <HappyDed> and we have to start thinking about the end-user
[18:01] <gabe> Skate111: I wouldn't make that generalization without evidence to back it up.
[18:01] <HappyDed> I don't think they're going to care if there are more packages, as long as they have more options
[18:01] <gabe> Why don't we do a survey then?
[18:01] <Skate111> gabe: of course just going by the people in #stampede
[18:01] <roguemtl> or a vote :]
[18:01] <tybollt> Hands up for gabe
[18:01] <HappyDed> I'd have to vote FOR this idea
[18:01] <gabe> Jake, a vote is not going to solve anything.
[18:01] <tybollt> Hand up for gabe's point of view.
[18:01] <fejj> I feel there are good and bad points for it
[18:02] <Spock> I agree fejj
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[18:02] <DrFrog> hmm
[18:02] <gabe> Can we please go about this logically?
[18:02] <gabe> How about this:
[18:02] <HappyDed> I think the good outweighs the bad... the downsides are for US, not the enduser
[18:02] <roguemtl> gabe: correct me if I am wrong, but is not the sole benefit of this notion one of space savings?
[18:02] <skibum> I disagree
[18:02] <Skate111> i see the whole idea behind what gabe is saying, i just hated how i had to get 3 packages for stuff, and when your new especially and just learning to compile you don't know to get the libs... this happened to me =(
[18:02] <skibum> the downsides are for the enduser
[18:03] <khemicals> IMHO, someone developing should be using the original sources not something built from SLAB
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[18:03] <HappyDed> skibum: how?
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[18:03] <skibum> A newbie isn't going to understand why he can't compile because he's missing bob.h
[18:03] <disq> wd
[18:03] <gabe> I research other distributions' ways of dealing with this dilemma. I will document what they chose to do, and for what reasons.
[18:03] <roguemtl> gabe: correct me if I am wrong, but is not the sole benefit of this notion one of space savings?
[18:03] <gabe> We can do a survey of our users and see what they prefer.
[18:03] <gabe> Jake, yes.
[18:03] <HappyDed> skibum: I think that's easily avoided
[18:03] <fejj> on one hand, it reduces "bloat", but ont he other...it #1 makes it more difficult to maintain, #2 it would certainly agrivate me if I had to install gtk+-1.2.6.slp and gtk+-1.2.6-devel.slp for example, and #3 it might confuse people as to what they need - a new user wants fewer choices - the more choices you provide the more likely you are to scare them off
[18:04] <Skate111> is space really a issue in this point of time?
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[18:04] <gabe> Skate111: for some people, YES it is.
[18:04] <skibum> I don't think space is a problem in today's age.
[18:04] <HappyDed> skibum: downloading is the bottleneck
[18:04] <skibum> If you need a space optimized distribution .. stampede isn't the way to go.
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[18:04] <skibum> -O6 -mpentium makes packages larger.
[18:04] <roguemtl> gabe: for file in `find / -name *.a`; do rm -f $file; done
[18:04] <Spock> Hey, their's an other disadv.
[18:04] <fejj> and as Skate just mentioned, Disk space today is relatively cheap and thus is generally not an issue
[18:05] <Spock> How to deal with package deps ?
[18:05] <gabe> What happened to our anti-bloat philosophy then Matt?
[18:05] <Skate111> for a pentium like computer? if there using a computer worth running stampede on, its probably got at least enough space for a few more mb's
[18:05] <skibum> Bloat, and development libraries are different.
[18:05] <gabe> Jake, that still doesn't make it easier for people to download Stampede quicker.
[18:05] <roguemtl> IMHO, including "the entirety of a package" is not bloat
[18:05] <fejj> I'm not saying we should fill up a user's drive, but certainly a meg or 2 of "un-needed" header files is nothing
[18:05] <tybollt> skibum: A general ercentage of how much larger?
[18:05] <skibum> tybollt: 10-15%
[18:05] <Skate111> thats including the entire thing, and actually making it easier for the end user
[18:05] <Spock> Will we say: You need gtk+devel for installing pgcc ?
[18:06] <HappyDed> this discussion could have it's own meeting... basically, it's all about a tradeoff
[18:06] <skibum> Any more points on the subject?
[18:06] <fejj> what if a user were to decide to install a package from source, he's going to find he has problems - and what if he didn't realise it was because he didn't install the -devel of each package?
[18:06] <Skate111> not from me
[18:06] <HappyDed> or a million tradeoffs
[18:06] <tybollt> skibum: Really? So there's a downside to the pentiumopto. I didn't realize. You are not considering skiping out on the pentium opto are you?
[18:06] <Spock> Has anyone noticed my opinion ?
[18:06] <Skate111> fejj: exactly! thats what i was saying when i first tried compiling stuff, and cuoldn't
[18:06] <skibum> tybollt: not at all.
[18:07] <skibum> Spock: yep :)
[18:07] <Spock> k
[18:07] <Spock> Any comments ?
[18:07] <gabe> I'm finding this to be very difficult to reason with you Matt and Jake. I really do not feel you are being open to new ideas at all. If you want me to continue my discussion and treat me with some kind of respect by giving me a chance to prove myself right then I will continue with this meeting. If you want to take a dictator position and just proclaim that this will not happen then I am leaving.
[18:07] <tybollt> skibum: Thank heavens. 'wiping sweat from forehead*
[18:07] <skibum> Ok, let's take this to vote .. keep in mind that we may bring this up in the future, voting this down does not kill the idea, it just keeps it out of 0.90
[18:07] <roguemtl> gabe: I am simply voicing my opinions as you are
[18:07] <skibum> vote
[18:07] <skibum> N
[18:07] <Skate111> N
[18:08] <HappyDed> excuse me, I don't think a vote is applicable
[18:08] <disq> N(ot yet)
[18:08] <gabe> Matt, we're not voting. Let's do a proper poll of all of our users after I have done the proper research.
[18:08] <fejj> I agree with disq, N(ot yet)
[18:08] <Spock> N(ot yet)
[18:08] <roguemtl> N, pending SLPv6 and in-package groupings (then Y)
[18:08] <skibum> gabe: ok, that's fine.
[18:08] <skibum> We'll leave it out for now
[18:08] <tybollt> Y
[18:08] <gabe> Thank you.
[18:08] <skibum> Final comments .... ?
[18:08] <HappyDed> A vote will prove nothing... we need to really think this through
[18:08] <Spock> none
[18:08] <HappyDed> let's move on
[18:08] <Skate111> i'm not closed to the idea, i just don't find it practical at this point in time, and such
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[18:09] <skibum> The Bazaar (we have been given a booth, who will be staffing it?)
[18:09] <skibum> Gabe is the main contact on this ..
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[18:09] <gabe> Ok, heh.
[18:09] <skibum> I will not be attending, I don't know who will.
[18:09] <gabe> As some of you may know The Bazaar is a Free Software Convention to be held in NYC at the Javits Center on Dec. 14-16th I believe.
[18:10] <gabe> My friend Steve Blood is the one responsible for setting up the whole event (with help from EarthWeb in the latter stages)
[18:10] <gabe> and he has given us a booth at the show for free.
[18:10] <gabe> I know that I will be attending, so who else is willing to come?
[18:11] <skibum> Will you be manning the booth?
[18:11] <skibum> Roguemtl is going to give a quick rundown of the meeting format.
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[18:11] <gabe> EarthWeb/Steve have said that they can fly out and possibly put up a few core developers if needed..
[18:11] <skibum> Then I may be going <G>
[18:11] <skibum> roguemtl?
[18:12] <gabe> Matt, I'm not sure. It depends on what Jake wants to do.
[18:12] <skibum> roguemtl seems to have stepped out ..
[18:12] <gabe> At LWCE we did good work together going around to the other booths and talking with other developers and companies and making connections.
[18:12] <skibum> I'll open up the floor for questions / comments / what ever
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[18:12] <khemicals> if that were the case than i may be able to go
[18:12] <gabe> Oh, byte the way... All the info is at http://thebazaar.org
[18:13] <fejj> I may be able to make it as well
[18:13] <needo> I would like to go but lack the monetary funds to do so.
[18:13] <fejj> it depends on when my finals are (which have not yet been announced)
[18:13] <skibum> anything else on the subject?
[18:13] <skibum> going ...
[18:13] <gabe> Dave, yeah, if you wanted to man the booth again I think you should have your fligt paid for by EarthWeb. You did an incredible job at LWCE. ;)
[18:13] <HappyDed> I'm not sure what discussing is needed... just let's try and get some showing off time in =)
[18:13] <skibum> going ..
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[18:13] <skibum> roguemtl
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[18:14] <skibum> While we're waiting
[18:14] <skibum> Spock has been added to the 0.90 crew.
[18:14] <skibum> We're glad to have him on bored
[18:14] <skibum> And look forward to all his contributions.
[18:14] <roguemtl> I noticed that we have a number of people on-channel who have not attended previous devel meetings (glad to see you
[18:14] <roguemtl> guys here tonight), so I wanted to just run through the format of the meetings. Our devel meetings are a bit different
[18:14] <roguemtl> from those held by other groups, but the format is simple. Agenda items are msg'd to skibum as the meeting goes on.
[18:14] <roguemtl> When we are ready for the next item, skibum closes the channel, announces the item and gives "the talking stick"
[18:14] <roguemtl> to the presenter. After the presentation, the issue is opened for discussion... it is free speech on-topic.
[18:14] <roguemtl> Once the discussion is 'complete', we move to the next agenda item. Votes may be held at skibum's discretion.
[18:14] <roguemtl> Logs will be available after the meeting.
[18:14] <roguemtl> It is okay for the discussion to feel a bit 'out of hand'... the whole point is getting new ideas on the floor for discussion
[18:15] <roguemtl> ... the other purpose is to make sure everyone knows the current status of the distribution
[18:15] <skibum> We're looking for as much help as possible to get 0.90 to you ASAP
[18:15] <skibum> So, please feel free to volunteer.
[18:16] <skibum> Jake will now speak on the prefered method of 0.90 submissions.
[18:16] <skibum> roguemtl?
[18:16] <roguemtl> With 0.90, the format of submissions has changed a bit
[18:17] <roguemtl> Since everything is autobuilt from source, our preferred format is a tarball containing the SLAB configuration files/patches/manifests and a text file containing a list of URLS to author-supplied patches and source archives
[18:18] <roguemtl> With that information, one of the 0.90 staffers can assemble the package in the source tree and it will be built with the next roll
[18:18] <roguemtl> We do not want original sources uploaded -- we would prefer a list of URLS to the original sources so they can be downloaded and validated at that point
[18:19] <skibum> I'd like to note that we will have a system in place to automate this at some point in the future.
[18:20] <skibum> I'll now open up the floor for the usual..
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[18:20] <fejj> this new format will be documented on the web site?
[18:20] <Spock> OK, I agree submiting a URL instead of a source file
[18:20] <gabe> er
[18:20] <gabe> heh
[18:20] <Spock> for security reasons
[18:21] <gabe> Same here.
[18:21] <skibum> anything else?
[18:21] <Spock> Yeah
[18:22] <Skate111> i like the URL.
[18:22] <skibum> The system will be documented on the web page.
[18:22] <Spock> What about having one guy resp. for a special thing
[18:22] <Spock> Like say: spock is resp. for E + GNOME
[18:22] <HappyDed> someone want to submit the docs to me, I'll format it and stick it on the site... that should save you smart ppl some time =)
[18:22] <misty> How about having a 'maintainer' for each package?
[18:22] <misty> Spock, jinx
[18:22] <Spock> any packs relating to that shall be send to him
[18:22] <needo> misty_working: tried that before. didnt work to well
[18:23] <roguemtl> For 0.90, we've changed the rules a bit
[18:23] <Skate111> misty_working: i like the maintainer idea, but if it didn't work well......
[18:23] <roguemtl> The primary purpose of the 0.89 (and previous) package maintainers was to get the latest package onto the site
[18:23] <roguemtl> People who build packages are expected to do proper research before posting new revs
[18:23] <roguemtl> ie. reading the appropriate newsgroups/mailinglists/included documentation
[18:24] <roguemtl> If you don't plan to build things 'cleanly', best not submit them
[18:24] <roguemtl> People on the 0.90 team exist to provide a layer of QA in getting submissions into the tree cleanly
[18:24] <roguemtl> and making sure they build on all supported platforms cleanly
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[18:25] <Spock> roguemtl: I agree, but that's not my issue
[18:25] <roguemtl> Spock: I understand
[18:25] <Spock> I mean will we have a maintainer for a package group ?
[18:25] <Spock> k
[18:25] <roguemtl> The point is that we are not yet to the point where the tree has stabilized sufficiently to move back to such a scheme, IMHO
[18:25] <Spock> Hmm
[18:26] <misty> I agree
[18:26] <gabe> I don't necessarily think it's a good idea to rely on a single individual to maintain an entire package group or even just a few packages.
[18:26] <Spock> So you think at the moment submissions shouldn't be accepted ?
[18:26] <misty> there aren't enough packages yet anyway
[18:26] <roguemtl> At this time, the tree is still being populated; we have a lot of people who would vie for the same territory
[18:26] <gabe> Best to just have whoever can do the work properly and is available to do it, do the maintainance.
[18:26] <roguemtl> Spock: package maintainers don't exist atm, AFAIK
[18:26] <misty> the core distribution needs to be stabilized first
[18:27] <tybollt> gabe: Senior developer, vice developer etc?
[18:27] <roguemtl> With the removal of binary submissions, we no longer need someone to man incoming.,... just to have someone to bring new sources into the tree as they become available
[18:27] <Spock> gabe: But you MUST have people related to a group therefore that not anyone has permissions to the SLAB tree
[18:27] <gabe> uhhmmm.... I dunno.
[18:27] <gabe> Giving people titles sometimes gives them big heads.
[18:27] <Skate111> give people access who request it
[18:27] <Spock> gabe: That's a point, but you need to do so
[18:27] <Spock> Skate111: NO
[18:28] <Skate111> why not
[18:28] <gabe> It makes more sense to have a group of people responsible for building packages on the ref machine, period.
[18:28] <Spock> Skate111: That would be a simple hohle for a hacker to insert BAD code
[18:28] <gabe> They do what needs to be done no matter what package it is.
[18:28] <Skate111> yea but not just "anyone" i said that wrong
[18:28] <Spock> Skate111: How to decide ?
[18:28] <Skate111> Spock: not sure
[18:28] <gabe> Jake, how do you feel about this?
[18:29] <Spock> I'd like to have one who's resp. for a pack group and who checks the submissions before includeing them
[18:29] <misty> I have a question perhaps not covered yet: at a later time, will there definitely be a difference between the core of the Stampede tree and the 'other' packages?
[18:29] <roguemtl> IMHO, 'submissions by all', 'acceptance of submissions by a small group' is the right model.
[18:29] <Skate111> Spock: that seems good
[18:29] <gabe> Spock: there will be people like that but that aren't responsible for singular packages.
[18:29] <roguemtl> Spock: it is more complex than that, you see
[18:30] <Spock> gabe: But you can't have anyone have the fingers on any pack !
[18:30] <roguemtl> Spock: there is intent to also have an integrated QA/testing team which further aids the quality of the dist
[18:30] <gabe> What do you mean?
[18:30] <Spock> Noone can have the knowledge about any pack.
[18:30] <misty> What I mean is, will there be something like broad distinctions (base, X11, docs) for things that you can choose to install as a GROUP, and then be individual packages which you can chooose to install later ?
[18:30] <roguemtl> Spock: interesting notion, though there do exist generalists among us.
[18:31] <misty> (I'm thinking of the users here, not the developers, I guess)
[18:31] <Spock> Hmm, but it is not efficent to have guys which try to do things for all packages
[18:31] <gabe> Spock: it goes like this: people submit packages, there is a list of pakcages to be checked, the package maintainance team looks through the list and piicks the next package to be checked, they don't pick specific ones, they just pick a package and do it. then it gets tested and when it is ok, added to the tree.
[18:31] <Skate111> misty_working: isn't that already there?
[18:32] <misty> Skate: not really
[18:32] <tybollt> rogue: The core crew who does the "accepting" of packages has to be quite small and should, to some extent, be in the same geographic area too.
[18:32] <Skate111> misty_working: pl
[18:32] <Skate111> ok
[18:32] <gabe> Spock: it is less efficient and less secure to have specific pakcage maintainers.
[18:32] <misty> I probably can't explain it yet
[18:32] <khemicals> tybollt: why same geographic area?
[18:32] <gabe> If they leave then someone has to come along and figure out what they were doing.
[18:32] <roguemtl> tybollt: not necessarily in the same geographic area... just "trusted"
[18:32] <Spock> gabe: Yeah, but I wouldn't claim to have knowledges about all packages
[18:32] <misty> I'm thinking more of the FreeBSD scheme (not to tout FreeBSD overmuch)
[18:32] <Spock> gabe: Why less secure ?
[18:33] <gabe> If the work is done by a colelctive they each will atsome point probably deal wit hthat package and so we have more people who can deal with those pacakges.
[18:33] <gabe> Spock: less secure being that if the package maintainer decides to leave then no one can maintain that package.
[18:33] <Spock> gabe: Wouldn't say so
[18:33] <roguemtl> It has happened before.
[18:33] <gabe> Yes, it has.
[18:33] <tybollt> khemicals / roguemtl: Simply because of the fact these people can interact not only via the net but also in real life. Something that could potentially be a strength for the distribution.
[18:33] <roguemtl> That was one of the reasons we shifted to this model.
[18:34] <Spock> Hmm
[18:34] <roguemtl> tybollt: there are other ways to address that issue :)
[18:34] <khemicals> indeed
[18:34] <Spock> OK, then I'd prefer the following way :
[18:34] Action: fejj whispers: rogue...move to Utah...
[18:34] <gabe> Spock: this way we can have a log of what the package maintainers do, which other package maintainers can check if they have problems. After checking, testing, and building a package a package maintainer could add notes to a log database that others can use as reference later on.
[18:34] <fejj> :)
[18:34] <roguemtl> never!
[18:34] <skibum> =]
[18:35] <gabe> Jake, move to Cali. ;)
[18:35] <Lenolium> fejj: you first :)
[18:35] <roguemtl> never!
[18:35] <roguemtl> :P
[18:35] <gabe> hehe
[18:35] <fejj> heh
[18:35] <tybollt> rogue: Well, I look at you and Skibum and I guess you know eachother very well, that give for a speedboost when it comes to decision making doesn't it?
[18:35] <khemicals> jake, move to ...
[18:35] <Skate111> ok
[18:35] <skibum> jake: move away from portland!
[18:35] <Skate111> on mistys comment, what shes saying... when you go and install stampede
[18:35] <roguemtl> tybollt: I live on the east coast, skibum lives in the midwest
[18:35] <gabe> Ok, we're far off topic now.
[18:35] <tybollt> roguemtl: Heh, you guys have met though?
[18:35] <Lenolium> Yes, +m it.
[18:36] <Spock> But I see the chance that if anyone twiddles around with every pack
[18:36] <gabe> tybollt: most of us have met at LWCE, or LinuxExpo
[18:36] <roguemtl> there is "trust" established between us.
[18:36] <Skate111> ok nm then
[18:36] <skibum> I agree with spock somewhat on this one.
[18:36] <HappyDed> thought skibum lived in utah...
[18:36] <Spock> the group gets out of control
[18:36] <Spock> (package group I mean)
[18:36] <skibum> ok
[18:36] <gabe> Whoever edits the log for this meeting please cut this section out.
[18:36] <skibum> more on the topic ??
[18:36] <Spock> So, at the
[18:36] <HappyDed> gabe: which section?
[18:36] <gabe> (about personal stuff that is)
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[18:37] <tybollt> rogue: Although I'm ok with that. Atleast you're both in the states. Spreading the "core team" over more then one continent is IMHO _bad news_ for the efficiency.
[18:37] <Lenolium> I believe in each package having a maintainer, or someone that is the person mostly who handles the package.
[18:37] <HappyDed> ahh
[18:37] <Spock> end noone really has a clue
[18:37] <gabe> Lenolium: then what happens when that person leaves and we don't have information about what they were doing?
[18:37] <Spock> Everyone did something and noone knows what and how
[18:38] <skibum> SLAB eliminates the problem about not having information on what one was doing.
[18:38] <Spock> gabe: OK, I don't think a guy would says:
[18:38] <Spock> Today I don't like stampede anymore , I'm out
[18:38] <gabe> It has happened before.
[18:38] <Spock> I think he'll get the work to anyone else
[18:38] <skibum> gerwain
[18:38] <needo> Yeah
[18:38] <gabe> And we have had more complicated situations that resulted in developers leaving/
[18:38] <Spock> Yeah, OK, may be
[18:38] <HappyDed> Today I don't like stampede anymore, I'm out
[18:38] <skibum> HappyDed: liar!
[18:38] <skibum> :P
[18:38] <gabe> skibum: heh, yeah, Gerwain.
[18:39] <skibum> any more on topic?
[18:39] <Skate111> Gerwain?
[18:39] <Spock> skibum: Yaeh
[18:39] <skibum> -k-
[18:39] <gabe> A developer who caused a lot of trouble and left a while back.
[18:39] <Skate111> ahh sums it up =)
[18:39] <discobob> dumb comment, but is this not exactly wht CVS / RCS is for?
[18:39] <gabe> Long story, some other time maybe... LETS MOVE ON ;)
[18:39] <Spock> skibum: How do we proceed ? We don't have sollution now ....
[18:39] <Lenolium> Yes, is SLAB gonna be in CVS anytime soon/ever?
[18:39] <gabe> discobob: I don't see how that relates to testing packages?
[18:40] <roguemtl> /topic #stampede Crimes against society and 'Nash Bridges'
[18:40] <roguemtl> Lenolium: yes.
[18:40] <discobob> gabe: Well, what works for progs could work a similiar way for packages...
[18:40] <gabe> uhmm...
[18:40] <gabe> You cant build them through CVS though. heh
[18:41] <discobob> RCS
[18:41] <Spock> I mean I'll find it a lille complicated if I today build E
[18:41] <lamfada> has anyone mentioned any of the open-source project tracking systems (midgard comes to mind?)
[18:41] <skibum> I think we proceed as we have been, and if it becomes a problem, we'll move.
[18:41] <Spock> and tomorrow a guy comes and says: Hey I have build the new one
[18:41] <tybollt> next issue, please.
[18:41] <skibum> lamfada: we're looking for something like that right now.
[18:41] <gabe> Can we move on?
[18:41] <lamfada> k, sorry for coming in in the middle :)
[18:41] <Spock> skibum: How have we been ?
[18:41] <skibum> next topic
[18:41] <skibum> I'll continue a private conversation with spock
[18:41] <Spock> k
[18:42] <skibum> and, at gabe's request..
[18:42] <skibum> we'll have a 5minute break
[18:42] #stampede: mode change '+m ' by skibum!skibum@pool-207-205-180-55.phnx.grid.net
[18:42] <skibum> Fri Nov 5 19:42:29 MST 1999
[18:42] <skibum> meeting to resume in 5 minutes
[18:45] <skibum> anyone have a URL for midgard?
[18:45] <skibum> /msg me :)
[18:46] <skibum> [19:43:27] < Lenolium> hmm... wanna announce #unrelated-chat for (imagine this) unrelated chat?
[18:47] <skibum> ok
[18:47] <skibum> Time to reume the meeting.
[18:47] <skibum> Many people have requested ISO images for stampede.
[18:47] <skibum> I'm told lamfada has made a very good 0.89 ISO.
[18:48] <skibum> HappyDed has requested that lamfada speak a little on the subject of ISO's.
[18:48] <skibum> I would like to see ISO images autogenerated on the ftp site.
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[18:48] <lamfada> hrm, what to say
[18:48] <lamfada> well, first off, as those of you with recorders know
[18:49] <lamfada> it is not necessary to have a burner as mkisofs does not care if you have a cd-r
[18:49] <lamfada> basically, what iso9660 is is a read-only filesystem consisting of about 650 MB of storage
[18:50] <lamfada> stampede 0.89 comprises ~ 300MB, so there is plenty of room for growth
[18:50] <skibum> Any caveats on generating a Stampede ISO image that you've run into?
[18:50] <lamfada> none
[18:50] <skibum> ok
[18:50] <skibum> We'll open up the floor...
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[18:50] <Spock> I like this
[18:51] <Iced> As long as the script is available as I like adding extras
[18:51] <HappyDed> I think it would be a great idea to have the ISO on stampede.org
[18:51] <lamfada> one thing we need to do is create bootable images
[18:51] <Spock> It makes it easier for people to make a cd-r to install from
[18:51] <Skate111> and the iso is bootable?
[18:51] <HappyDed> as multiple people have requested it
[18:51] <khemicals> imho, either skibum or rogue or mino should make it if one is made but not autogenerated
[18:51] <skibum> Why not autogenerated?
[18:51] <needo> Easy enough to set it up in cron.
[18:51] <needo> Its just a command line.
[18:51] <khemicals> i said if it is not autogenerated
[18:51] <skibum> I would perhaps like to see:
[18:51] <skibum> make iso
[18:51] <skibum> as a target for SLAB
[18:52] <Spock> Yaeh, that would be fine
[18:52] <khemicals> i disagree
[18:52] <Spock> Why ?
[18:52] <khemicals> broadens the scope of SLAB
[18:52] <needo> I dont think SLAB should have anything to do with the iso
[18:52] <khemicals> let SLAB be SLAB
[18:52] <tybollt> skibum: Do you guys feel you have the physical computing power for such a task, ie a large mother disk to process that uatogeneration on?
[18:52] <needo> I agree with khemicals
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[18:52] <fejj> a make iso wouldn't be al that complicated
[18:53] <skibum> I don't think it should be a default target ..
[18:53] <skibum> Just an option.
[18:53] <gabe> skibum: did we ever get taht extra 9GB drive installed on Whiplash?
[18:53] <skibum> roguemtl?
[18:53] <fejj> but either way is fine, I'm not really sure it needs to be in SLAB
[18:53] <skibum> gabe: it's waiting for us to contact VA
[18:53] <gabe> k
[18:53] <skibum> We can have it when ever we need it.
[18:53] <Spock> He he
[18:53] <gabe> If you ever need someone to upgrade that machine ro whatever I'd be happy to go down there and do it.
[18:53] <lamfada> IMHO, the complexity will happen if there are multiple disks, but that can be broken out by directory
[18:53] <gabe> I guess I'm the closest.
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[18:54] <Grexo> hello
[18:54] <skibum> roguemtl?
[18:54] <Lenolium> Minotaur is talking about co-locating a box somewhere, it'll be a 600Mhz alpha, so that should have plenty of horsepower.
[18:54] <Grexo> When is the new Stampede website gonna be up?
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[18:54] <khemicals> Grexo: please /msg all questions and topics for the agenda to skibum
[18:54] <Spock> Grexo: We're havin' a devel meeting right now ... please ask later
[18:55] <skibum> Grexo: soon :)
[18:55] <Spock> lol
[18:55] <skibum> Anyone have anything else to say on the subject?
[18:55] <skibum> (roguemtl) ? :)
[18:55] <lamfada> Should we submit stable iso images to FreeISO?
[18:55] <Grexo> ahh ok
[18:55] <roguemtl> Honestly, I don't see the point of having SLAB integrated in the ISO building process
[18:55] <skibum> lamfada: sure.
[18:55] <Spock> OK so we make a SLIB
[18:55] <fejj> roguemtl: me neither
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[18:55] Action: Lenolium agrees with roguemtl
[18:55] <Spock> Stampede Linux ISO Build
[18:55] <roguemtl> SLAB is designed to work on 'packages'... ISOs are in the opposite direction, to some degree.
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[18:56] <Spock> Any comments ?
[18:56] <skibum> A make iso target would perhaps be as simple as:
[18:56] <needo> I wouldnt mind working on an iso script.
[18:56] <skibum> iso::
[18:56] <skibum> mkdir /tmp/tmp
[18:56] <needo> Im sure there are plenty of other people to help
[18:56] <skibum> cp */*/*.slp /tmp
[18:56] <roguemtl> skibum: and what would control what goes into such an ISO image?
[18:56] <needo> It aint that tough.
[18:56] <skibum> mkisofs blah.sio /tmp/tmp/*
[18:56] <skibum> end
[18:56] <skibum> roguemtl: all packages.
[18:56] <skibum> Anyway.
[18:56] <roguemtl> skibum: what would create the appropriate boot layout for that platform?
[18:56] <skibum> that's a technicality we can discuss later.
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[18:57] <skibum> next topic
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[18:57] <skibum> The installer
[18:57] <skibum> Status
[18:57] <skibum> As some of you may know ..
[18:57] <skibum> I've written a new installer from scratch, in C
[18:57] <skibum> under the skibum-installer series.
[18:57] <skibum> It is currently the reccomended installer
[18:57] <skibum> And has nearly full functionality.
[18:57] <skibum> (lacking lilo, and a few beautifications)
[18:58] <skibum> for those of you who don't know about it, it's at ftp://ftp.stampede.org/incoming/rootdisks
[18:58] <skibum> discussion?
[18:58] <skibum> wait
[18:58] <skibum> There's also an X installer project that a few of us have been working on
[18:59] <skibum> it's currently under sl-gui in CVS
[18:59] <skibum> it's status is:
[18:59] <skibum> GUI currently in place
[18:59] <skibum> Some backend
[18:59] <skibum> Not quite installable yet.
[18:59] <skibum> discussion?
[18:59] #stampede: mode change '-m ' by skibum!skibum@pool-207-205-180-55.phnx.grid.net
[18:59] <gabe> What about SLURP?
[19:00] <skibum> roguemtl?
[19:00] <gabe> I know that we have talked about the separate X installer projects Matt, but maybe we can enlighten everyone.
[19:00] <Grexo> skibum: Does the GUI installer boot directly into X?
[19:00] <skibum> Grexo: yes..
[19:00] <HappyDed> can I have a word about this?
[19:00] <skibum> HappyDed: go for it
[19:00] <fejj> I'll start working on sl-gui very soon, I've recently come accross a new idea that should help me fix one of the problems I was having with it earlier
[19:00] <tybollt> happyded. shoot
[19:00] <skibum> Grexo: off of only 1 rootdisk.
[19:00] <HappyDed> Currently, the scope of the installer is a non-linear format
[19:01] <Grexo> skibum: Sounds good. I dont like alot of the competitors GUI's.
[19:01] <Grexo> I mean GUI Installers
[19:01] <HappyDed> however, many I have asked feel that perhaps a fullscreen format kind of like Caldera or RedHat
[19:01] <HappyDed> would be more apporopriate
[19:01] <gabe> HappyDed: that's what my project is.
[19:01] <HappyDed> gabe: didn't know that =)
[19:01] <HappyDed> gabe: is it a separate project?
[19:01] <gabe> I'll spend some more time on that in the coming month.
[19:02] <gabe> Yes.
[19:02] <fejj> http://www.xtorshun.org/xsi-shot1.jpg
[19:02] <HappyDed> gabe: as code from xsi could easily be used in your project
[19:02] <skibum> I've gotten much feedback about all of our past installers, and people like the menu approach better.
[19:02] <HappyDed> fejj: I've got another
[19:02] <fejj> that's pretty much a preview of what the installer will be like for anyone that is interested
[19:02] <skibum> It's been gabe's project for > 1 year
[19:02] <needo> Gotta go.
[19:02] <skibum> :)
[19:02] <needo> See you guys later.
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[19:02] <Skate111> i think the installer needs different "options" such as a custom install, a X insall, base, soruce, etc..
[19:03] <gabe> Yeah, I had the original idea over a year and a half ago. Heh
[19:03] <misty> I have some questions regarding the bootdisk/rootdisk. Is anyone currently working a bootdisk to replace the obsoleted bare.ide? Next: is the installer ever going to come up automatically, without the login prompt? The fdisk is already included in the install process. My next question is, are the boot/root disks going to be obsoleted by SLURP?
[19:03] <gabe> I just haven't had the time to implement it properly.
[19:03] <roguemtl> misty: to the final question: yes.
[19:03] <misty> :)
[19:03] <gabe> My project includes, not only the X installer system, but the ability to save installation information and create an automated installer disk which you could use to install the same setup on multiple machines.
[19:03] <misty> that makes the other ones null and void then, roguemtl
[19:03] <skibum> misty: yes, perhaps, yes
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[19:04] <gabe> Jake, what's up with SLURP?
[19:04] <HappyDed> gabe: I think the projects overlap a ton... perhaps the automated install should be separate and used in both?
[19:04] <roguemtl> SLURP is currently undergoing a testing phase and is moving into a SLAB-like build pending stable SLAB.
[19:04] <gabe> HappyDed: could be, it will rely heavily on SLURP though.
[19:05] <HappyDed> http://www.cybercoment.com/dan/xsi.jpgis another (more recent) screenshot
[19:05] <gabe> The xsi installer from what I've been told is an X installer to use "for the moment" my project is a more longterm project and won't be ready until we near 1.0.
[19:05] <Spock> OK, so we conclude: No X installer until 1.0, ok ?
[19:06] <gabe> no
[19:06] <gabe> xsi might be ready before that.
[19:06] <Spock> k
[19:06] <gabe> I would like to see my project come to fruit and be tested on the release before 1.0 so we can get any bugs out of it in time for production of 1.0.
[19:06] <fejj> hopefully it will be
[19:06] <skibum> xsi may be ready before 0;.90
[19:06] <Spock> k, unders.
[19:06] <gabe> If anyone is interested in helping out email me and let me know.
[19:07] <gabe> Matt, we talked before about low level installation code and how you were going to make it portable so I could just slap my gui interface on top of it. Is that likely to happen?
[19:07] <skibum> In fact, it could be done before monday if fejj ded and I all work on it this weekend.
[19:08] <gabe> Matt, if you need help I'd be glad to volunteer.
[19:08] <fejj> skibum: no-can-do, speech monday, but I'd be happy to work on it after that
[19:08] <skibum> the low level code is in skibum-installer
[19:08] <gabe> I am working tomorrow though so if you wanna get some stuff done I can help out on Sunday.
[19:08] <fejj> I can probably make some bug fixes to current code and perhaps add a little bit, but won't be able to do a whole lot
[19:08] <misty> roguemtl: what is needed in the way of help with the SLURP project?
[19:08] <skibum> ok
[19:09] <misty> for instance, do you need kernel/modules built?
[19:09] <tybollt> gabe: I'll help with the testing and whatever else you need to sped it all up a bit.
[19:09] <roguemtl> At this time, SLURP development is confined to a small group; we are approaching a testing phase, as I said, and will make an announcement on that front when we are ready
[19:09] <misty> ok :)
[19:09] <skibum> next topic
[19:09] <roguemtl> misty: we really don't have any needs at this point -- we have ~15 test machines to tinker with :)
[19:09] <gabe> tybollt: please email me ;)
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[19:10] <skibum> Though not directly Stampede - A brief introduction to spruce
[19:10] <skibum> fejj?
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[19:10] <fejj> heh
[19:10] <fejj> spruce is aimed at providing users with a very simple setup and a nice gui interface
[19:11] <fejj> it currently supports the most common mail protocols (/var/spool/mail, IMAP, and POP3)
[19:11] <fejj> with the possability of adding more quite easily now
[19:11] <fejj> like APOP, POP2, etc
[19:12] <fejj> assuming someone sits down and codes the seocket layer ;-)
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[19:12] <fejj> I aim to modularize it in the future
[19:12] <skibum> BTW, I'd like to publicly thank McCoy for her machine during testing of the stampede installer
[19:13] <fejj> so as to keep the size down and speed up
[19:13] <fejj> guess that's about it
[19:13] <skibum> thanks fejjtable
[19:13] <skibum> discussion?
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[19:13] <gabe> When can I finally expect to be able to send email with 0.5 fejjie? Eh? hehe
[19:14] <fejj> :)
[19:14] <misty> is spruce gonna be, like, the default stampede email program? or are we just giving fejj a platform to speak? :)
[19:14] <skibum> Unknown at this point..
[19:14] <gabe> I had heard mention of smtp-auth support in the latest sendmail beta, is this what I thinkj it is? And will spruce support it?
[19:14] <skibum> going ...
[19:14] <Chaka_gtk> .
[19:14] <skibum> n/m
[19:14] <fejj> well, I'm trying to figure out the most portable way to code a timeout, unfortunately (in gabes case) it seems that select() is not the answer, nor is setsockopt()
[19:14] <Chaka_gtk> oooooo, I wanna install linux on this puppy :D
[19:15] <Chaka_gtk> dad brought home a dell laptop, brand new
[19:15] <Chaka_gtk> 14.x" viewable
[19:15] <gabe> Chaka_gtk: please don't discuss off-topic subjects at this moment
[19:15] <skibum> ok
[19:15] <skibum> next topic
[19:15] <Spock> fejj: We talked yet :), I now agree keeping the name if we announce it and LBM is havin' equal rights
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[19:15] <skibum> lamfada-
[19:15] <skibum> Unfortunately, I will probably not be able to make this meeting, but I
[19:15] <skibum> was interested in the agenda.
[19:15] <skibum> Off the top of my head, things that I would like to see discussed
[19:15] <skibum> include IPv6 readiness. How important that is to people, whether it
[19:15] <skibum> should be a separate package, and how it should be configured are issues
[19:15] <skibum> that I see.
[19:15] <skibum> For all packages possible (BIND,
[19:15] <skibum> sendmail, mozilla, lynx, ...), IPv6 enabled versions should be in a
[19:15] <skibum> separate directory, such as 0.90/<arch>/net-inet6. IPv6 configuration
[19:15] <skibum> should at this time not be an option on initial install, netconfig6
[19:15] <skibum> should handle setting up the interface and tunnels and setting up the
[19:15] <skibum> init scripts to be run.
[19:15] <skibum> This will of course, be after 0.90, to not slow up production.
[19:16] <skibum> discussion?
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[19:16] <Lenolium> remember, unrelated chat --> #unrelated-chat.
[19:16] <gabe> hrmm...
[19:16] <Invis> sorry, say that again? I missed it...
[19:16] <Spock> OK, we need IPv6 !
[19:16] <Lenolium> free ipv6 addresses availible via http://www.freenet6.netfor any of you not yet on the 6bone.
[19:16] <Invis> everything from +m to "This will be after 0.90"
[19:16] <fejj> I believe that it is important that Stampede move to support IPv6
[19:16] <gabe> IPv6 support is good, put it in net-ipv6/ though, net-inet6/ may not be understodd correctly
[19:17] <lamfada> the main problem I see is that most apps will not have solid IPv6 until next year
[19:17] <fejj> gabe: agreed
[19:17] <Invis> will there be a way of upgrading previous versions to ipv6 standards?
[19:17] <tybollt> fejj: Not currently. IPV6 is _Far_ away.
[19:17] <lamfada> so, new package dir, net-ipv6
[19:17] <fejj> tybollt: it takes time to become fully IPv6 ready, so starting now would be a good idea
[19:17] <gabe> Lenolium: can you get classes? or just single addresses?
[19:18] <Lenolium> gabe: from them, only single addresses.
[19:18] <gabe> hrm
[19:18] <gabe> I'll have to look into that.
[19:18] <Lenolium> gabe: but you normally can get subnets from your backbone provider.
[19:18] <gabe> for IPv6?
[19:18] <gabe> I'll have to look into that.
[19:19] <tybollt> fejj: You honestly think "we" should start before anyone else?
[19:19] <gabe> Why not?
[19:19] <fejj> tybollt: why not?
[19:19] <Lenolium> We,ve always liked to be at the head of devoping trends.
[19:19] <gabe> We are the first distro to even think about optimization and performance. Why not get a jump start on IPv6?
[19:19] <skibum> We were the first to PGCC
[19:20] <skibum> We were the first to kernel 2.2.
[19:20] <skibum> we were the first to glibc 2.1
[19:20] <HappyDed> IPv6 is inevitable...I think we should get started ASAP
[19:20] <tybollt> fejj: Since currently there are loads of things to do, I doubt adding to the workload, at THIS point willbe very constructive and make for good efficency. imiliar way for packages...
[19:20] <tybollt> [03:40] <gabe> uhmm...
[19:20] <tybollt> [03:40] <gabe> You cant build them through CVS though. heh
[19:20] <tybollt> [03:40] <discobob> RCS
[19:20] <tybollt> [03:41] <Spock> I mean I'll find it a lille complicated if I today build E
[19:20] <tybollt> [03:41] <lamfada> has anyone mentioned any of the open-source project tracking systems (midgard comes to mind?)
[19:20] <tybollt> [03:41] <skibum> I think we pro
[19:20] <gabe> tybollt: chill
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[19:20] <fejj> IPv6 is already starting to be used by some companies
[19:20] <lamfada> We should take care to sepparate ipv6 and ipv4 only implementations
[19:20] <tybollt> Sorry abou that :(
[19:20] <gabe> IPv6 will be in use before we even know it.
[19:21] <Lenolium> Yes, even if IPv6 isn't generalized over the internet, internal networks run great over it.
[19:21] <lamfada> we can put mixed in together, either in ipv6, or better, in the ipv4 packages
[19:21] <tybollt> fejj: only internaly. It's many years till MS/IBM/SUN etc will support it.
[19:21] <fejj> SUN already supports IPv6
[19:21] <skibum> MS, sun already have alpha's / beta's for ipv6
[19:21] <gabe> tybollt: uh.h... I HIGHLY doubt that.
[19:21] <Lenolium> Solaris 8 (Febuary 2000 slated release) includes ipv6
[19:22] <gabe> We'll probably run out of IPv4 address in a year or so.
[19:22] <fejj> right
[19:22] <Lenolium> There are patches for ipv6 for MS products also.
[19:22] <skibum> You can go download an IPv6 addon to windows nt right now.
[19:22] <tybollt> gabe: Ok, not many years but the change will not be over night.
[19:22] <fejj> and from there things will move over to IPv6
[19:22] <gabe> No, of course not, it never is.
[19:22] <fejj> right
[19:22] <skibum> tybollt: what disadvantages do you see to including ipv6 things?
[19:22] <lamfada> it will seem like overnight, though
[19:22] <Lenolium> Better to lead than follow.
[19:22] <lamfada> we are talking about something that will happen, not overnight, but within six months to a year
[19:23] <lamfada> this will be like linux, first a few, then everybody
[19:23] <tybollt> skibum: Adding to the workload in this vey moment seems quite silly right now. I believe there will be a lot done in this area by the comunity as a whole. I expect there to be (if there currently isn't) a linux IPV6 stadrad group of some sort.
[19:23] <skibum> It's not going to be at this very moment.
[19:24] <skibum> After 0.90
[19:24] <skibum> :)
[19:24] <Lenolium> post-0.90, aka 0.91
[19:24] <tybollt> skibum: If you choose to make IPV6 a feaure soon to be implemented Iit's more realistic, IMHO
[19:24] <skibum> ok
[19:25] <lamfada> we can gradually work it in, first as a "at your own risk" package
[19:25] <tybollt> I do not question the importance of IPV6, it's comming.
[19:25] <skibum> next topic ..
[19:25] <HappyDed> that seems like a good idea... at your own risk
[19:25] <skibum> going ...
[19:25] <skibum> going ...
[19:25] <HappyDed> gone!
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[19:25] <skibum> Spock would like to speak on optimizing for multiple chips
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[19:26] <Spock> THX
[19:26] <Spock> OK, I have two issues
[19:26] <Spock> 1) Shall we build optimized trees for e.g. K6/7, PII and so on CPUs like enoch does ?
[19:27] <Spock> 2) Shall we make a kernel slp (in base/) which is SMP aware ?
[19:27] <Spock> THX
[19:27] <skibum> happyded has something to say on the topic as well
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[19:27] <HappyDed> well, actually, it's SOMEWHAT similar... thought he meant something else
[19:28] <HappyDed> but, many have emailed me about ports to other ARCHITECTURES
[19:28] <skibum> would you like to wait till later?
[19:28] <HappyDed> hmm... perhaps
[19:28] <skibum> ok
[19:28] <HappyDed> yeah
[19:28] <HappyDed> comments first =)
[19:28] <skibum> we'll open for discussion on spock's issues
[19:28] <Spock> So to my first topic
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[19:28] <misty> haha
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[19:28] <lamfada> on the kernel slp, I think we should enable SMP, etc because enabling SMP costs nothing on uniprocessor systems
[19:28] <misty> sorry :) I thought I was still moderated
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[19:29] <skibum> As to #!
[19:29] <Lenolium> with SLAB, it is extremely easy to do optimized builds for different processors, so it's a no-cost (other than HD space) run.
[19:29] <skibum> As to #1
[19:29] <skibum> It'll be a very easy thing to do.
[19:29] <skibum> vi build.conf
[19:29] <skibum> replace -mpentium with -mk62
[19:29] <skibum> make all
[19:29] <tybollt> lamfada: Doesn't the kernel get bigger with smp?
[19:29] <skibum> that's it.
[19:29] <Spock> So if we can get the HDD for free we do it ...
[19:29] <skibum> It's something I'd like to do.
[19:29] <Lenolium> and if it's that easy, I'm deathly opposed to it ;)
[19:29] <skibum> haha
[19:30] <skibum> Ok, so, unless anyone has any objections, we'll use both of spock's ideas?
[19:30] <skibum> next topic
[19:30] <gabe> SMP kernels can be given the argument "nosmp" if you want to disable it.
[19:30] <skibum> needo, yyou here?
[19:30] <skibum> doesn't look like it.
[19:30] <gabe> My ppc kernel doesn't honor that though... heh
[19:30] <Spock> gabe: There ya go
[19:30] <Lenolium> well, I guess I could juggle flaming soccor balls, so that would make it difficult enough, _count me in_
[19:31] <skibum> haha
[19:31] <skibum> ok
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[19:31] <skibum> Alright
[19:31] <skibum> happydad's next
[19:31] <skibum> on sparc portability, among other things
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[19:31] <HappyDed> JAY! =)
[19:31] <HappyDed> Okay, I think we need some quoting here
[19:31] <HappyDed> but first, the base
[19:32] <HappyDed> Some people have asked me about ports to other architectures such as: SPARC, Alpha, and PPC
[19:32] <HappyDed> As these are somewhat off the current scope of Stampede... I'm not sure exactly what to tell them
[19:33] <skibum> On the sparc port, I have one thing to say. There is a very old sparc sitting in my room all ready to become a refrence box .. I'm picking up a keyboard and mouse to start this after the development meeting.
[19:33] <HappyDed> I've heard from developers about certain IDEAS, but what really are plans? Optimized versions for these would certainly be useful
[19:33] <HappyDed> and I need a quote, now =)
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[19:34] <skibum> Gabe has a PPC for the ppc port
[19:34] <skibum> the alpha port has long been under way.
[19:34] <HappyDed> gotta get this email =)
[19:34] <HappyDed> "I'll ask the Sun Rescue Society if anybody has one that they can donate."
[19:34] <skibum> -k-, n/m
[19:34] <skibum> (ignore that last line)
[19:35] <HappyDed> okay, so perhaps we could mention on the site that we would be willing to develop for any platform we can get a suitable reference machine for?
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[19:35] <HappyDed> that certainly would open the way for many ports, and as there aren't any really optimized Linux ports for these architectures... we'd have a nice niche market =)
[19:35] <HappyDed> comments? volunteers? =)
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[19:36] <Lenolium> SLAB also makes this easier (thanks roguemtl!), unfortunately it's not quite a no-cost situation, I know that more than a couple four letter words have sprung from Minotaur's mouth on attempting the Alpha port. So while right now it's not a top priority, it is being considered, and we are more than willing to let people contribute their progress on porting to other platforms.
[19:36] <Spock> OK, I find this idea great
[19:36] <skibum> [20:36:04] < gabe> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1914299 Nov 3 21:34 /boot/vmlinux-2.2.13-smp
[19:36] <skibum> [20:36:05] < gabe> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1865393 Nov 3 21:58 /boot/vmlinux-2.2.13-up
[19:36] <skibum> [20:36:29] < gabe> not much size difference in SMP -> UP
[19:36] <skibum> (sorry)
[19:36] <skibum> didn't get in earlier
[19:36] <gabe> Thanks skibum.
[19:36] <Skate111> ydrk
[19:36] <tybollt> skibum: Nice. I'm convinced =)
[19:37] <skibum> I personally am interested in being on 'as many platforms as netbsd'
[19:37] <Lenolium> should packages be required to build on all architectures before they become "official"?
[19:37] <misty> good goal
[19:37] <HappyDed> Lenolium: hrmm
[19:37] <misty> Leno: no
[19:37] <gabe> Uhm, just to let people know. When we were at LWCE in August the Sun people expressed interested in getting ussome hardware to do a SPARC port.
[19:37] <Spock> Is there a compiler which optimizes for Sperc, PPC, ... ?
[19:37] <HappyDed> that's a good question
[19:37] <misty> some packages won't work on all arch's
[19:38] <tybollt> skibum: I was about to say "I like the openBSD security model while this means focusing on a broad variety of platforms might be excluded" =)
[19:38] <HappyDed> perhaps we should be getting some contacts to call, get some machines, get some stuff going =)
[19:38] <Spock> misty_working: which ?
[19:38] <Lenolium> -k-, so, do we want heads of ports?
[19:38] <Skate111> i was just going to suggest a sparc port
[19:39] <gabe> Spock: I am working on getting hardware to Mark Lehmann so he can do compiler optimizations for PPC.
[19:39] <misty> Spock: I can't think of them right now :)
[19:39] <gabe> Mark Lehmann is the chief architect of the PGCC system.
[19:39] <Spock> gabe: k, thx
[19:40] <gabe> He has expressed interest in other architectures and all he needs is hardware, but it has to be something small because he doesn't have space for any more machines.
[19:40] <Spock> ah
[19:40] <gabe> That's why I'm looking into getting him a G3 PoweBook loaded with LinuxPPC.
[19:41] <skibum> anything else?
[19:41] <gabe> erm...
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[19:41] <gabe> If anyone is interested in helping test PowerPC Stampede in a few weeks let me know.
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[19:41] <skibum> < Iced> what the current status of stampede .90 as ftp hasn't been updated for months
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[19:42] <skibum> :)
[19:43] <skibum> erm
[19:43] <skibum> Well, I guess roguemtl vanished
[19:43] <skibum> The source tree is being updated very often.
[19:43] <skibum> A new roll should be out soon.
[19:43] <skibum> comments/
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[19:43] <Spock> S far as my time allows E / GNOME will be added
[19:44] <misty> I think we need an often-updated web page or something that lists what we ARE doing
[19:44] <Spock> to the 0.90 source tree short
[19:44] <Skate111> gabe: i may be able to test stampede PPC in like a month
[19:44] <misty> too many linux distros start and then fizzle out
[19:44] <tybollt> I guess I'll be bankicked now but, what about the real deal? When will the developing of .90 freeze?
[19:44] <misty> we want people to know that we ARE doing things, even if things aren't being uploaded
[19:44] <skibum> We need someone to do that?
[19:44] <Spock> Yaeh, misty is right we need to update our website mor often !
[19:44] <Skate111> dobbins is giving me a 5500/250 Mac, would that work?
[19:44] <lamfada> very much so
[19:44] <skibum> tybollt: we're working as hard as we can, as time allows to make it come out.
[19:44] <Lenolium> tybollt: 0.90 will be frozen when we have all the packages we need in there.
[19:45] <lamfada> until I joined this channel, I thought stampede was dead :)
[19:45] <misty> we need to be 'user-friendly' because NO other distros of linux are
[19:45] <skibum> erm
[19:45] <skibum> that's a hairy one.
[19:45] <skibum> :)
[19:45] <misty> we need to be informative, courteous all the time, helpful, and very communicative
[19:45] <misty> perhaps we need a communications commitee/person
[19:45] <gabe> Skate111: awesome
[19:45] <Lenolium> misty_working: Currently, we're pretty developer based, and I think we should gain stability/features , user-friendly-ness can wait.
[19:45] <skibum> misty: can we commision you to post status updates every few days on the web site?
[19:45] <misty> skibum: yep :)
[19:46] <misty> just get them to me
[19:46] <skibum> misty: done and done
[19:46] <Skate111> gabe: or possibley *cough* the G4 shes getting w/ the 20,000$ she was just given =) does linux ppc work on G4s?
[19:46] <tybollt> skibum: Ya, I'm like so ok with that. To me date's not an issue but if we could get a hit. You know people are asking ME oon a daily basis when it'll be out and I just answer evasively.
[19:46] <Spock> OK, so every one should
[19:46] <Spock> report updates to misty.
[19:46] <misty> Leno: not true, we can get developers to use US rather than redhat or slack because we know what we are doing
[19:46] <tybollt> s/hit/hint
[19:46] <skibum> tybollt: yeah, I know.
[19:46] <gabe> Skate111: consult linuxppc.org
[19:46] <skibum> tybollt: I'm going to push this whole weekend.
[19:46] <gabe> Skate111: G4 support is iffy at best now. There are issues with MacOS 9 too.
[19:46] <misty> Leno: P/R always should come first, second, and third
[19:46] <tybollt> skibum: Thanks, I'm gonna quote you on that one =)
[19:46] <misty> unless we are just a bunch of kids messing around
[19:47] <skibum> right o
[19:47] <gabe> Skate111: browse/search the linuxppc-user mailing list http://lists.linuxppc.org
[19:47] <Skate111> gabe: not that concerned about it... actually i think i will because we're getting like 6 G4 servers at my HS to replace some beige G3's on are T1 =) and if i can i want to put the webserver on a real linux box vs. mac os X server
[19:47] <skibum> anything else?
[19:47] <Lenolium> PR == good, spending time on user-friendlyness when the distro is not yet stable == bad. --> #unrelated-chat
[19:47] <gabe> beige G3's work good.
[19:47] <misty> Leno: exactly, that's why you delegate it to me
[19:48] <misty> cuz I'm not a developer and I can't really help much in other areas
[19:48] <gabe> Don't we have a whole new website setup waiting for 0.90 to be released?
[19:48] <Lenolium> another reminder: unrelated chat --> #unrelated-chat
[19:48] <Skate111> gabe: actually, if shes just going to put them out for students i may be able to just obtain one and keep it as the webserver
[19:48] <skibum> ok
[19:48] <skibum> good stuff
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[19:48] <skibum> < HappyDed> yet another one... What's the feeling on closed-source binary only, unoptimized packages being included?
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[19:49] <HappyDed> Welp, this is because one of my favorite programs is such =)
[19:49] <skibum> (which?)
[19:49] <HappyDed> (Blender)
[19:49] <HappyDed> basically, this also clashes with the whole ports thing
[19:49] <HappyDed> and everything
[19:50] <HappyDed> as closed source software is available only for what it's compiled for
[19:50] <HappyDed> how do you feel about closed source and unoptimized binaries?
[19:50] <HappyDed> comments? concerns? I feel it's a necessary evil
[19:50] <HappyDed> we have Navigator
[19:51] <HappyDed> that's closed source...
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[19:51] <Lenolium> I believe it's a semi-necessary evil. My policy on redistribution is that if we can, and it's useful, let's do it.
[19:51] <Spock> Hmm, I think such software is needed but should be in a seperate tree like unmaintained/ , comments ?
[19:51] <skibum> I agree with lenolium
[19:51] <misty> I don't think we should do it
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[19:51] <Skate111> i agree, too..
[19:51] <misty> I think we should have a utility to transform .rpm to .slp (like alien)
[19:51] <gabe> It is my understanding that Stampede is thriving to be a GNU/Linux distribution. Meaning we distribute only GNU compliant pacakges. Other packages could be kept in a contrib directory. If we are a hardcore GNU compliant distro we can easily get the support of the FSF when we hit 1.0 and become the official GNU/Linux distribution. Which can offer us a great deal of publicity which will expand our userbase, etc.
[19:51] <misty> and if they want to do it, they can do it themselves
[19:52] <skibum> <tybollt>The current topic should relate to GNU / non GNU version discussion as well.
[19:52] <Spock> I agree with gabe
[19:52] <misty> me too
[19:52] <disq> i agree with gabe. :P
[19:52] <Lenolium> On a like note, there is an unsupported version of netscape 4.7 for linux 2.2 which works great with Stampede (just need to link one library)
[19:52] <misty> we should stick to what we can do consistently
[19:52] <Spock> If we make a unmaintained/ dir
[19:52] <Skate111> i agree too
[19:52] <tybollt> gabe: Didn't we discuss that on the mailinglist like months ago?
[19:52] <misty> Leno: #unrelated_chat :P
[19:52] <Spock> Anyone against my idea ?
[19:52] <gabe> After talking with Richard Stallman he is seems more than interested to find a new GNU/Linux to promote.
[19:52] <gabe> I think we ought to think about the GNU Hurd as well when it becomes useable.
[19:53] <gabe> Spock: a contrib/ directory would be fine
[19:53] <Spock> gabe: Yaeh, but that'll ba some time to
[19:53] <skibum> any commments?
[19:53] <misty> but we shouldn't have non-free stuff in our general tree
[19:53] <Spock> gabe: OK, lets call it so
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[19:53] <skibum> err
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[19:53] <skibum> final comments?
[19:53] <gabe> misty_working: exactly
[19:53] <Spock> gabe:and make a readme which explain that it's third party software
[19:53] <skibum> ok
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[19:53] <misty> linux != non-free
[19:53] <skibum> next topic
[19:54] <misty> and that's all :)
[19:54] <gabe> Spock: it's all tbhird party
[19:54] #stampede: mode change '+m ' by skibum!skibum@pool-207-205-180-55.phnx.grid.net
[19:54] <skibum> Low priority. The idea I was talking about earlier (some weeks ago) with sort of an ambassadorial system for Stampede giving that a certain
[19:54] <skibum> member of the crew will cover a certain geographical area. Thhe covering will involv, top level, interacting with mirror sites and similar stuff.
[19:54] <skibum> I'm sorry, I don't remember who sent me this message.
[19:54] <skibum> /msg me if it was you.
[19:54] <skibum> ok
[19:54] <skibum> It was tybollt
[19:54] <skibum> I'm giving him voice
[19:54] #stampede: mode change '-v roguemtl' by skibum!skibum@pool-207-205-180-55.phnx.grid.net
[19:54] #stampede: mode change '-v HappyDed' by skibum!skibum@pool-207-205-180-55.phnx.grid.net
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[19:55] <tybollt> I'm looking for a kind of ambassador system where a developer will cover a certain
[19:55] <tybollt> geographic area as an official representative for Stampede.
[19:55] <tybollt> This could be very effective as obtaining mirrorspace on larger networks and ISPs is
[19:55] <tybollt> quite tough these days and asking as a common "user" is not good enough.
[19:55] <tybollt> I sence though that with backup from an official source, issues like this one
[19:55] <tybollt> can be resolved.
[19:55] <tybollt> Though this ambasador system doesn't have to be limited to mirroring issues only, it
[19:55] <tybollt> could just as well cover any other issue.
[19:55] <tybollt> Since not all stampede users are in USA anymore.
[19:55] <skibum> comments?
[19:56] <tybollt> Comments!
[19:56] #stampede: mode change '-m ' by skibum!skibum@pool-207-205-180-55.phnx.grid.net
[19:56] <gabe> Interesting. I wouldn't mind being the Stampede Rep for California.
[19:56] <gabe> heh
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[19:56] <Spock> Hmm, would be fine, but where should I get the space to mirror for germany ?
[19:56] <Lenolium> I think this is important for things such as install fests, <PLUG> one of which is happening in SLC next weekend in the XMission offices 12-5 </PLUG>
[19:57] <gabe> Yep.
[19:57] <tybollt> spock: My point is you ask the representative to MAIL the largest UNI in .de to get them to mirror stampede
[19:57] <gabe> Being active members of ocal LUGs is good.
[19:57] <Spock> But I can ask my university to gimme space
[19:57] <gabe> As soon as I get a car covering BALUG and SVLUG wouldn't be too difficult.
[19:57] <lamfada> I can ask TCLUG to mirror
[19:57] <Spock> tybollt: I'll try to convince them :)
[19:57] <skibum> cool
[19:58] <Spock> skibum: to what ?
[19:58] <skibum> the idea
[19:58] <Spock> Yaeh
[19:58] <skibum> I'll add this as one of the projectes in the project tracking system.
[19:58] <Spock> It's ok
[19:58] <skibum> (which I hope to setup this evening)
[19:58] <skibum> comments?
[19:58] <skibum> err
[19:58] <skibum> anything else?
[19:58] <gabe> Stampede is currently hosted a few cities away from me so a mirror isn't necessary. However, if I end up implementing the colo at the company I work at we'll have like 384GBits of bandwidth available so I'm sure we could do a mirror.
[19:59] #stampede: mode change '+m ' by skibum!skibum@pool-207-205-180-55.phnx.grid.net
[19:59] <skibum> ok
[19:59] <skibum> final topic on the agenda (/msg me if I forgot something)
[19:59] <skibum> tybollt> that's another, however low priority, issue. What machines you guys got? What _can_ be done? Do you want contributions? (hardware)
[19:59] #stampede: mode change '+v tybollt' by skibum!skibum@pool-207-205-180-55.phnx.grid.net
[19:59] <skibum> we always want hardware contributions
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[20:00] <tybollt> Well that was mostly ment for the core crew. I was wondering if you need any aditional hardware?
[20:00] <skibum> comments
[20:00] <skibum> We could use additional hardware, yes.
[20:00] <gabe> I don't really need anything. I am covering all my needs myself.
[20:00] <Spock> I'm always open for a quad athlon system as reference machine ;)
[20:00] <tybollt> sakibum: Sure, but is there anythign particularely necesarry, something you missing for the day, that could be put up on the we somewhere.
[20:00] <tybollt> s/sakibum/skibum
[20:01] <Spock> And a 21 Inch monitor
[20:01] <gabe> skibum: I can still donate my PC to Stamede.
[20:01] <Lenolium> Donations always gladly appreciated, but please air-mail any burritos.
[20:01] <lamfada> has anyone looked into any of the manufacturer donations ?
[20:01] Action: tybollt has a few PII boxes he doesnt really need, however shipping them across the sea would prolly cost me half a years pay.
[20:01] <lamfada> I know a local ISP who received 2 boxes from Compaq gratis
[20:01] <lamfada> for doing some programming
[20:01] <skibum> tybollt: We could really use a build box or two
[20:02] <skibum> tybollt: we could pay for shipping.
[20:02] <gabe> Are we going to do anything about IA-64 and K7?
[20:02] <tybollt> skibum: I'll mail you asap the Athlon computer get here.
[20:02] <skibum> Great, thank you very much.
[20:02] <skibum> gabe: definitly.
[20:02] <Spock> Yaeh, IA-64 is a great issue
[20:03] <DraX> k7 is VERY importent
[20:03] <HappyDed> hrmm... perhaps we need to talk to AMD and Intel
[20:03] <tybollt> MAke IA 64 an own topic, please, I feel there's alot to discuss ther
[20:03] <tybollt> e
[20:03] <Spock> DraX: You own one ? ;P
[20:03] <gabe> K7, IA-64, and G4 are all kickass systems.
[20:03] <DraX> Spock: next summer
[20:03] <Spock> :)
[20:03] <skibum> ok
[20:03] <Spock> I'll go to Dresden and ask AMD if they donate me a system :P
[20:04] <skibum> the floor is now open for any general discussion.
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[20:04] <Lenolium> ---------------------- Developer Meeting Ends ------------------------------------------
[20:04] Action: skibum is away for a bit, picking up keyboard + mouse
[20:06] <gabe> well, great meeting everyone.
[20:06] <Spock> Yaeh
[20:06] <tossebear> meeting? what meeting? :)
[20:06] <lamfada> yay
[20:06] <misty> hehe
[20:07] <misty> ok anybody with newsy stuff email misty@stampede.org please
[20:07] <Spock> tossebear: You can keep sleeping , nothing has happend
[20:07] <lamfada> that was more or less on topic (from what I saw)
[20:07] <misty> and whoever is in charge of the main stampede page, /msg me if you are here
[20:07] <gabe> that'd be snippy
[20:07] <misty> whoa, I forgot about him
[20:07] <misty> where is he at ? :)
[20:07] <Lenolium> seen snippy
[20:07] <Yoda> snippy was last seen on IRC 23 days, 23 hours, 33 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: wohoo, almost done rendering [Tue Oct 12 23:35:43 1999]
[20:07] <Spock> misty_working: I'll do
[20:08] <HappyDed> it's snippy?
[20:08] <misty> sadness
[20:08] <Lenolium> hmm... looks like HappyDed volunteered.
[20:08] <HappyDed> AFAIK it's me too =)
[20:08] <tossebear> Spock: i'm not sleeping.. :)
[20:08] <misty> well what I need is a link to a What's New page
[20:08] <HappyDed> I've been doing some revamping of the docs... what else should I revamp?
[20:08] <tossebear> Spock: i'm on a lan party.. :)
[20:08] <misty> I'm just going to use the KISS method and only maintain one page for now :)
[20:09] <HappyDed> got a URL for me?
[20:09] <misty> I'm gonna put it in the stampede page, Happyded
[20:09] <lamfada> HappyDed: revamp? how can I if Bela Lugosi is DEAD?
[20:09] <misty> call it news.html
[20:09] <HappyDed> misty:?
[20:10] <misty> HappyDed: I'm the new events girl :)
[20:10] <misty> bah, I'll just do it
[20:10] <misty> I know what I need
[20:10] <HappyDed> okay... hrmm... just make the page and I'll get it all set up as links and crap
[20:10] <Spock> So if we use the idea, I'm the resp. person for germany, right ?
[20:10] <HappyDed> and spell check it =)
[20:10] <tybollt> misty: New events girl? You maintain that section of the page?
[20:10] <misty> I just got assigned to it tonight
[20:11] <misty> so somebody like email me the edited log of tonight and that'll be my first one
[20:11] <HappyDed> misty_working: give it some STYLE =)
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[20:11] <misty> oh, I will :)
[20:11] <HappyDed> hrmm... who's doing the log? can I get it off logbot?
[20:12] <misty> haha
[20:12] <misty> 'can I get it off, logbot?'
[20:12] <McCoy> :)
[20:12] <HappyDed> LOL
[20:13] <tybollt> misty: Sure I'll email, what's my comission
[20:13] <misty> logbot: he means 'get it on'
[20:13] <misty> tybollt: I'll give you a hug
[20:13] <misty> that's my currency
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[20:14] <misty> Happyded: you'll have to edit the index, I don't know php
[20:14] <tybollt> misty: Ew, that's not good. I count only monetary currency.
[20:14] <HappyDed> misty_working: =) *wink* neither do I... but actually... it's really basic
[20:14] <misty> tybollt: sorry, I'll find someone else then :)
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[20:15] <tybollt> misty: =)
[20:15] <tybollt> misty: I've no unified log for tonight, sorry. It got broken as I accidenataly flooded and exited the channel :/
[20:15] <gabe> I have a log...
[20:16] <gabe> in my window... heh
[20:16] <misty> lol
[20:16] <misty> well I have a log of most of it at home
[20:16] <lamfada> my log is short
[20:16] <misty> but I don't feel like editing it
[20:16] <Lenolium> misty_working: I can feed you a HTML'ifed log.
[20:16] <misty> Leno: cool
[20:16] <misty> can you edit out the #unrelated-chat? :)
[20:16] <tybollt> makes me think of the Ren & Stimpy theme... "everyone wants a log, log log log, come on and get a log" =)
[20:16] <lamfada> bbs
[20:17] <gabe> oh, nm, x-chat cut it off because the buffer was too small.
[20:17] <gabe> Oh yeah...
[20:17] <gabe> Congradulations to the world MS IS a monopoly according to Judge Jackson.
[20:18] <gabe> Now, EVERYONE go sue for damages.
[20:18] <gabe> :D
[20:18] <HappyDed> YAY!
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[20:18] <tybollt> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:18] <tybollt> *horray*
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[20:19] <misty> <html>
[20:19] <misty> <head><title>Current Stampede Linux News!</title></head>
[20:19] <misty> <body>
[20:19] <misty> <p>Stuff will go here.</p>
[20:19] <misty> </body>
[20:19] <misty> </html>
[20:19] <misty> heh
[20:21] <gabe> uh
[20:21] <gabe> yay...
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[20:23] <misty> lol McGyver
[20:23] <Spock> Hey, it rules
[20:23] <misty> ok I got my first newsy stuff submission
[20:23] <misty> I watched McGyver every episode
[20:24] <Spock> k
[20:24] <misty> yay only .5 hour left of work
[20:24] <tybollt> misty: time currently 5.24 am :) (here)
[20:24] <HappyDed> misty_working: hurry up! =)
[20:25] <HappyDed> over here it's 10:30
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[20:26] <fejj> meeting over?
[20:26] <misty> yeah
[20:26] <misty> tybollt: go to bed
[20:27] <Spock> misty_working: WHere can I see your news site ?
[20:27] <misty> not yet
[20:27] <misty> heh
[20:27] <Spock> Ah
[20:28] <tybollt> misty: Sir is that an order, SIR!
[20:28] <tybollt> ?
[20:29] <tybollt> Heh, swedish military is very much less restrictive thenthe US such =)
[20:29] <misty> yes, and it's ma'am :)
[20:29] <disq> misty_working: hey..
[20:29] <misty> hi disq
[20:29] <tybollt> uh ma'am even :)
[20:29] <misty> what's up?
[20:29] <disq> :)
[20:30] <disq> same.. :P
[20:30] <misty> I thought you were asking me something
[20:30] <disq> i was going to.. but i figured out :P
[20:31] <misty> mench, bin ich muede :/
[20:31] <misty> what did you figure out?
[20:31] <Lenolium> misty_working: you work at an ISP?
[20:31] <tybollt> misty: Jawohl, ich bin tod-müde =)
[20:31] <misty> Lenolium yup
[20:31] <disq> delete not limit 20 :P
[20:31] <misty> www.kconline.com
[20:31] <misty> oh, database :)
[20:32] <tybollt> misty: Woher kommst du?
[20:32] <misty> Lenolium: we used to have a cool webpage :/ I don't know what the webmaster was smoking when he updated it
[20:32] <disq> misty_working: but.. hmm..
[20:32] <misty> tybollt: aus indiana, USA :) du?
[20:32] <disq> misty_working: it won't work
[20:32] <misty> :( I don't know sql
[20:32] <misty> I only know design, heh
[20:32] <disq> :P
[20:33] <tybollt> misty: Ich komme aus Stockholm, Schweden.
[20:33] <HappyDed> misty_working: the main page has been created... just make your page =)
[20:33] <tybollt> uh, was that even by far correct german? =)
[20:33] <HappyDed> "A new section has been created to discuss the more distribution-relavent news.
[20:33] <HappyDed> The section will discuss our new ideas and happenings along with milestones we
[20:33] <HappyDed> have reached in the development."
[20:33] <misty> HappyDed: I started --> news.html :)
[20:33] <HappyDed> that good? =)
[20:33] <misty> in /home/www/www
[20:33] <misty> that's awes...
[20:34] <HappyDed> okay... do you wanna perhaps add some content, then? =P
[20:34] <misty> when it isn't 11:34 at night, yes :)
[20:34] <HappyDed> okay
[20:34] <misty> I only have 2 emails with content already anyway ;)
[20:34] <Spock> ;)
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[20:35] Action: Lenolium is currently kicking users off of dialup lines who are using more lines than they paid for.
[20:35] <Lenolium> Attempted to disconnect 2 connections for waltonmf.
[20:35] <fejj> haha
[20:35] <misty> Leno: we have it such that you CAN'T dial in twice simultaneously :)
[20:35] <Spock> *YAWN*
[20:35] <Spock> k, sleep now
[20:36] <misty> night spockity spock spock
[20:36] <DraX> i know a admin that has the terminal server page him if someone is doing 2 logins
[20:36] <DraX> if there on for more then 16 hours too
[20:36] <misty> Drax: we just charge $.10/hour if they are on more than 200 hours/month
[20:37] <DraX> the isp he works for does unmetered
[20:37] <misty> it isn't much but it adds up
[20:37] <DraX> but they cut you off after 16 hours
[20:37] <misty> we used to do unmetered and kick them off after 8 hours
[20:37] <misty> but we got tired of it
[20:37] <misty> so we decided to just allow ~8 hours a day, and kick for more than that
[20:37] <misty> so 200/month
[20:38] <Spock> G'night folks
[20:38] <Rhiannon> Morning, all
[20:38] <misty> morning misty
[20:38] <Spock> Oh Rhi, is back
[20:38] <misty> is dan around? he totally missed the meeting
[20:38] <tybollt> Guten nach alle leute"
[20:38] <tybollt> !
[20:38] <tybollt> nacht
[20:38] <Spock> Gute Nacht ty
[20:39] <McCoy> yo Rhiannon
[20:39] <Lenolium> misty_working: almost do that, just have to switch on one setting, but we curretly let them do bad things. (like camp out on lines all day long.)
[20:39] <misty> Leno: you don't have a good enough BOFH :)
[20:39] <misty> ours rocks
[20:39] <misty> Mr. Mike Atkinson, pheer
[20:40] Action: fejj is dialed into his server for 70+ hours at a time
[20:40] <misty> fejj: I used to do that too :) back when I had to use dialup ;)
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[20:40] <fejj> I've been connected 34 hours so far this time
[20:40] Action: tybollt ais a good enough BOFH, employ me please =)
[20:40] <misty> HanDZ :)
[20:40] <DraX> misty: Mr. Jon Lewis is a much better BOFH
[20:40] <DraX> you brake rules
[20:40] <misty> oh no DraX
[20:40] <misty> you don't even understand
[20:40] <misty> heh
[20:40] <DraX> and he makes a case against you
[20:41] <misty> Mike will call a customer and rip into him for breaking rules
[20:41] <Spock> G'Night
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[20:41] <DraX> so does Lewis
[20:41] <misty> he just charged someone $500 and cut off their account permanently for spamming
[20:41] <misty> FIRST offense
[20:41] <fejj> awesome
[20:41] Action: fejj hates spammers
[20:41] <DraX> misty: Lewis rewrote the TOS so he can charge people for account cancelation
[20:41] <misty> they can never do business with us again
[20:41] <misty> lol DraX
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[20:42] Action: McCoy thinks 5.41 am is a good time to go to bed...
[20:42] Action: misty pushes McCoy off of irc
[20:42] <tybollt> I love spammers. WHY do they go about their business? They can not earn ANYTHING from it. I mean I'm in sweden and I get spam about dental insurance in the New York area, what's up with that?
[20:42] <DraX> misty: i can do a mean job too
[20:42] Action: lamfada thinks crucifixion is too light for spammers
[20:42] <McCoy> night
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[20:42] <DraX> misty: someone pisses me off
[20:42] <DraX> and there webpage is off line
[20:42] <DraX> i'm like
[20:43] <DraX> cd ~laddie/public_html/afn
[20:43] <DraX> rm -r <child that pissed me off>
[20:43] <DraX> and they never see there page again
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[20:44] <DraX> it's nice to have root
[20:44] <DraX> on a webserver with my "peers" web pages
[20:44] <lamfada> Yes! I have Win98 where it belongs, in a SANDBOX -- vmware
[20:44] <misty> DraX: that is uh uncalled for
[20:44] <misty> heh
[20:44] <misty> that is bad use of root, seriously
[20:44] <misty> never delete a user's files
[20:45] <misty> deny them login maybbe
[20:45] <lamfada> BOFH
[20:45] #stampede: mode change '+o fejj' by ChanServ!s@ChanServ
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[20:45] <misty> or move their files to another dir temporarily
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[20:45] #stampede: mode change '+o khemicals' by fejj!null@216-164-251-39.s293.tnt3.atn.pa.dialup.rcn.com
[20:45] <DraX> misty: and i charge them to put stuff on there web page
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[20:45] <DraX> like counters
[20:45] <DraX> and musak
[20:45] <disq> how do i start a new major version in cvs?
[20:45] <fejj> blah
[20:45] <misty> we charge for FP extensions
[20:45] <lamfada> charging is good
[20:45] <misty> we use freebsd and the program to FP a directory is called 'moronizer' hehe
[20:45] <DraX> like on the band webpage, i did a clock
[20:46] <DraX> and some kid gave me $5 to put one on there page
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[20:46] <DraX> my shell account uses Openbsd
[20:46] <DraX> and then make like moronmaker
[20:46] <DraX> or something
[20:46] <DraX> for FP
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[20:47] <misty> yay 10 minutes
[20:48] Nick change: HanDZ_ -> HanDZ
[20:49] <DraX> misty: heh
[20:49] <misty> the phone has run 3 times in 3 hours, hehe
[20:49] <misty> and only 5 emails today (as opposesd to 63 last time, before I bitcched to my boss about nobody else answering themm)
[20:49] <misty> and no voice mail
[20:50] <disq> i'm off
[20:50] <disq> bibi
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[20:50] <lamfada> damn
[20:51] <lamfada> I always hated it on phones when people were not doing their job
[20:52] <lamfada> misty: well, it looks like I could probably run apps in vmware, but there are not really aby I am currently interested in
[20:52] <misty> lol
[20:52] <misty> uh
[20:52] <misty> mirc :)
[20:52] <misty> it kicks xchat's tail
[20:53] <lamfada> feh
[20:53] <lamfada> boot windows to run something I have in X?
[20:53] <misty> lol
[20:53] <misty> well
[20:53] <misty> use it for printing if you can't get it to work otherwise (me)
[20:53] <lamfada> I am glad that I can say that, at least
[20:53] <lamfada> umm, I have a wonderful PS printer
[20:53] <misty> printing is the only thing I can't do in linux, I have a win-printer
[20:53] <misty> I can't afford a PS printer
[20:54] <fejj> same here
[20:54] <fejj> lexmark 2050
[20:54] <lamfada> doesn;t ghostscript support it?
[20:54] <misty> fejj: lexmark 1020 colorfine 2 :)
[20:54] <misty> lamfada: not lexmarks
[20:54] <fejj> heh
[20:54] <lamfada> oh
[20:54] <misty> they don't interpret hpl
[20:54] Topic changed on #stampede by skibum!skibum@pool-207-205-180-55.phnx.grid.net: Stampede GNU/Linux (http://www.stampede.org);Lenolium, your sparc is confirmed dead.
[20:54] <misty> you have to either have ps or hpl
[20:54] <misty> skib :)
[20:54] <skibum> hi
[20:54] <Yoda> salut, skibum
[20:54] <misty> board didn't work?
[20:54] <skibum> Yoda: bob
[20:54] <skibum> Yoda: bob?
[20:54] <Yoda> no idea, skibum
[20:54] <lamfada> well, next time, I would suggest epson
[20:54] <skibum> bob is bob
[20:54] <skibum> Yoda: bob is bob
[20:54] <Yoda> i already had it that way, skibum.
[20:54] <skibum> ?bob
[20:54] <misty> lol
[20:54] <skibum> Yoda: bob
[20:54] <Yoda> i heard bob was bob
[20:55] <misty> lamfada: can Canon do it?
[20:55] <skibum> Yay!
[20:55] <lamfada> yeah
[20:55] <skibum> My sparc has solaris!
[20:55] <misty> I could get a canon for like $100
[20:55] <misty> skib: flicka? :)
[20:55] <lamfada> actually, ghostscript has drivers
[20:55] <lamfada> which canon?
[20:55] Action: fejj remote prints on his dad's printer
[20:55] <misty> bjc100 I think
[20:55] <misty> or maybbe 200
[20:56] Action: lamfada looks at the ghostscript page
[20:56] <misty> the one with 2 internal cartridges
[20:56] <skibum> misty: reptile
[20:56] Action: misty can't wait till she can afford color-laser :)
[20:56] <misty> skib: you changed its name :(
[20:56] Epitaph_ (fuck@cr784549-a.yec1.on.wave.home.com) joined #stampede.
[20:56] <Epitaph_> Anyone seen rogue around?
[20:56] <lamfada> if you want to dream, dream dye-sub ;)
[20:56] <skibum> flicka was changed to percolations
[20:56] <misty> Epitaph_! you missed the meeting
[20:56] <skibum> and then
[20:56] <HappyDed> skibum: wanna debug? =)
[20:56] <Epitaph_> MEETING!?!?
[20:56] <skibum> it's now in limbo.
[20:56] Action: Epitaph_ slams fists on table.
[20:56] Nick change: Epitaph_ -> Epitaph
[20:56] <skibum> Epitaph_: you missed it!
[20:56] <HappyDed> Epitaph: you missed it!
[20:57] <HappyDed> =)
[20:57] <Epitaph> skibum: I'll MISS YOU!!!
[20:57] <misty> skib: change it back to flicka :(
[20:57] Action: Epitaph swings at skibum, missing hijm.
[20:57] <Epitaph> No, seriously though. What happened? :)
[20:57] <misty> we met
[20:57] <Epitaph> ...I KNEW IT!
[20:57] <Epitaph> and?
[20:57] <skibum> :)
[20:57] <misty> lol
[20:57] <misty> the log will be available within the week :)
[20:57] <lamfada> Aladdin Ghostscript supports all sorts of Canon, but I do not see the 100 (I do see the BJC-200)
[20:58] <Epitaph> I'll log you!!!
[20:58] <skibum> misty: flicka is not in my control, currently.
[20:58] <misty> ahh
[20:58] <misty> flicka still exists?
[20:58] Action: Epitaph shakes Yoda by the lapels.
[20:58] <Epitaph> WHAT HAPPENED!?!
[20:58] <misty> lamfada: can you check on the lexmarks?
[20:58] <lamfada> misty: looking
[20:58] <skibum> misty: I need to go pick it up.
[20:58] <Epitaph> Yoda: You're useless.
[20:58] <skibum> misty: can you put the dev log online.
[20:58] <DraX> i got a bjc200e
[20:58] Action: misty injects prozac into Epitaph's butt-cheek with a huge needle
[20:58] <HappyDed> skibum: did you get the mouse + keyboard?
[20:58] <DraX> but it's broke
[20:58] <skibum> s/\./?/
[20:58] <skibum> HappyDed: yea!
[20:58] <misty> skib: I will when I get an edited one
[20:58] Action: Epitaph pauses for a second..
[20:58] <lamfada> lexmark Optra E+
[20:58] Action: Epitaph continues deriding Yoda.
[20:59] <skibum> misty: i'll copy the current logbot log into your directory.
[20:59] Action: Epitaph ... happily this time.
[20:59] <misty> lamfy: that's a nice printer
[20:59] <skibum> Epitaph: how could you miss it?
[20:59] <misty> is that the first one though?
[20:59] <lamfada> that looks like it ...
[20:59] <misty> skib: thanks
[20:59] <Epitaph> skibum: I leave my house for the first time in a month, and I miss a dev meeting!
[20:59] <misty> Leno said he would html it for me though
[20:59] <skibum> Epitaph: doh!
[20:59] <misty> lamf: what color inkjet do you recommend?
[20:59] <misty> lamf: what color inkjet do you recommend?